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Posted February 12, 2012
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PenutBrittle: massive great snip!.......

Reading through these posts, it made me suspect itai just a little bit less than I did, and Robb just a little bit more. Nothing gamechangingly different from what I previously thought.

At this point one thing I find is that almost all of us seem to think Stuart is scum. All of our reads differ beyond that, of course, but as far as I can tell So, in my opinion, if he goes we can reevaluate based on how the night plays out and what role flips up. I have to say, the fact that he's disappeared isn't helping, and I'm super worried about the possibility of a replacement.
Funny how you hardly mention me through your whole Wall of Text, yet say at the end I look scummier....I'm being picked on, seriously!!

We seem to be at a standstill waiting for Stuart to post or not post, so I'll take this chance to put out my reads, see if we cant start some heated debate...

Muttly - Town. I was very concerned about him when he went after Baron, but it makes perfect sense that he be cop and knew Baron to be survivor. Other posts have convinced me he is on the level.

Vitek - Town. Muttlys investigation convinced me here too, amongst other things.

Joe - Town. Caught Pazzer in a lie, and called him out for it.

itai - Leaning Town. Numerous scummy posts, but definitely didn't want Muttly lynched, which gives him numerous Town points. Seems to have a fixation with me, but I can't hold that against him. I will point out that I would be one stupid Mafia person to be the hammer BOTH days, drawing attention to myself in that way. I can see what Vitek is saying - quickly bus Pazzer when he was caught out, but all I can say to that is I hammered because I also knew Pazzer was lying.

Twilight - Leaning Scum. Has gone down the list a little, but mainly I think due to careful posting, not committing to much. Even the post having a go at Stuart (#1005) was not a strong one.....almost like a Mafia trying to fade into the background...

Penut - Neutral. Cant make my mind up here, sometimes comes across scummy, but has a good level of posting and comes up with some relevant reads.

Stuart - Leaning Scum. Lurker, not posting anything of coherence, and his last post was a terrible attempt at defence against some good points made against him.
Posted February 12, 2012
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itai.sharim: I read Pazzer's posts throughout the game and I think he was largely inactive. I don't think we can learn anything for Pazzer's interactions because they are largely non-existent.

@Penut - If mafia chose to sacrifice Encryptor, one might imagine what else they have in store. When town have 2 doctors, one might imagine what powers the mafia posses.

I am concerned with Stuart lack of posting - Is he alright?
Maybe a ModKill is in order?
You afraid something can be found?

Fearmongering much? Town doesn't have 2 doctors. And I imagine they have roleblocker and maybe role-cop a.k.a. you.

@Robbeasy; If I got right what you are saying, you are off my scum-list for now. And as I think Twilight is town, and I re-read Penut and didn't find too much scuminess and like his last posts it leaves only itai and stuart.
Posted February 13, 2012
Hm. Even if it's just calling someone in to claim and then get lynched. It seems unfair but I'ld rather that than lynch without a claim.
Posted February 13, 2012
If we are taking votes, I for one would much rather see a replacement at this point than a modkill. My feelings are pretty much along the lines of Joes at this point. Although i dont know if I am ready to lynch Stuart yet. Certainly would feel more comfortable if I at least saw a claim.
Posted February 13, 2012
Just seems crummy to replace someone in just to claim and be lynched. But I agree, a modkill is pretty unfair. It's Rod's call anyway, I don't think we get a say.

Stuart, come back to us! It's all in good fun.
Posted February 13, 2012
There are 4 options. 1. Wait for stuart 2. lynch him without claim 3. let him be modkilled 4. have him replaced and then lynch him after. :-)

I am not opposed to his lynch at this moment. I read some previous posts and I am less certain about itai and more about stuart.
Posted February 13, 2012
I'm perfectly good with lynching him. A claim would be much preferable, but it's nigh certain that he is scum and we can see his "claim" in the lynch scene.

My only doubt, and it's the tiniest of doubts, is that it seems everyone is ok with lynching Stuart, which means his partner is bussing him or he could actually be town. I find that really really unlikely based on his scummy posts. Still, if that means others want a replacement to claim for him, then that's just what will have to happen.

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Robbeasy: Funny how you hardly mention me through your whole Wall of Text, yet say at the end I look scummier....I'm being picked on, seriously!!
I didn't say it made you much scummier, just a little bit. I decided to omit the parts about you (and itai) because I was only really interested in the Stuart connection. But I'm going to worry about his partner tomorrow, and concentrate on him today.
Posted February 13, 2012
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PenutBrittle: My only doubt, and it's the tiniest of doubts, is that it seems everyone is ok with lynching Stuart, which means his partner is bussing him or he could actually be town. I find that really really unlikely based on his scummy posts. Still, if that means others want a replacement to claim for him, then that's just what will have to happen.
If he's being bussed, it's because his partner has no clue how to get him out of this, I think.

As far as a claim goes, I'd rather hear more from Stuart. It seems inevitable at this point that he gets lynched but just not posting doesn't do him any good. But, at this point I really don't have that much to say about the topic, so I've been kinda quiet.

Can we have a votecount real fast? I want to see what's going on before I place my vote
Posted February 13, 2012
Votecount:

3 - Stuart9001 (Joesapphire, Peanutbrittle, Robbeasy)
1 - Robbeasy (Stuart)

Not voting: Muttly, Itai.sharim, Vitek, Twilightbard

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is 8pm 20 Feb.

I am now looking for a replacement for Stuart.
In the circumstances, I cannot be certain that one will be available.
If a replacement is not found before the deadline, he will be modkilled & the day will end.
Personally I view this as a worst case scenario & would prefer he either reappear, be replaced, or be lynched.
Posted February 13, 2012
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Rodzaju: Personally I view this as a worst case scenario & would prefer he either reappear, be replaced, or be lynched.
OK. We will wait for him to reappear, then you can replace him and we will lynch his replacement. :-)
Posted February 13, 2012
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Rodzaju: Personally I view this as a worst case scenario & would prefer he either reappear, be replaced, or be lynched.
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Vitek: OK. We will wait for him to reappear, then you can replace him and we will lynch his replacement. :-)
Hehe.

Ok, consider this my pseudo-vote on Stuart. I feel pretty strongly about doing SOMETHING with him. I'd rather hear from him before putting down an actual vote, and I don't want to risk someone swooping in and lynching him before we know what's happening.

FOS Stuart for lack of something else to bold :D
Posted February 13, 2012
I am still inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt, not sure why, maybe its new guy syndrom on my part. Anyway, I feel there is someone who has done much scummier things in my mind.

vote robbeasy
Posted February 13, 2012
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muttly13: I am still inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt, not sure why, maybe its new guy syndrom on my part.
Well, I fully understand this. I'd like to give him the chance to defend himself and his posts in a more reasonable manner. With just what we have in front of us, it's quite difficult. If he has abandoned the game, then I feel a bit weird with replacing him and having someone come in and have to try to work through those posts. And, I'd rather us lynch him, then have him modkilled if it's going to be the same results, a dead person and into the night.
Posted February 13, 2012
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muttly13: I am still inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt, not sure why, maybe its new guy syndrom on my part.
Not to disparage your reasoning, but I have since learned that equating newbie with town is a really common but kind of bad practice. I had the same sort of blinders on earlier in Day 1, and I think that was a serious mistake.

I'm just curious why you can afford him the benefit of the doubt? He has done nothing towny and everything scummy.
Posted February 13, 2012
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PenutBrittle: Not to disparage your reasoning, but I have since learned that equating newbie with town is a really common but kind of bad practice. I had the same sort of blinders on earlier in Day 1, and I think that was a serious mistake.

I'm just curious why you can afford him the benefit of the doubt? He has done nothing towny and everything scummy.
As stated, new guy blinders. I am not claiming it to be a playstyle, simply that many of the misques he has had dont seem overtly scummy to me so much as mistakes. And by its nature, granting him the benefit of doubt means I am fairly certain that he is scum. Its simply easy for me to change targets as I beleive Robb has gotten away with (what I feel) is much scummier behavior and has to date seemed relatively teflon coated.
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