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Posted July 07, 2013
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Momo1991: I'd like to point out that because of your commentary, ne_zavarj has cancelled all of the currently running giveaways of games donated by their DEVELOPERS. I was under the impression that this forum was mostly about games and these giveaways in particular are all about new games.

Personally, I enjoy these giveaways since they let me know about games I've never heard about and they give struggling developers another source of public relations here on the GOG forum. I've never seen a blue GOG complain nor do many of us consider them Spam. In fact, I have made a point to write to many of those developers to thank them even if their game isn't something I'd enjoy playing. And I've really enjoyed it when a dev joins in the thread giveaway - sometimes with useful or just interesting information.

Frankly, I'm a bit disturbed by this whole discussion especially when it specifically calls out a person who does a lot of hard work to encourage developers to donate free games to the GOG forum.
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JohnWalrus: Yeah, it really surprised me that ne_zavarj cancelled all of the giveaways. I really enjoyed them, and won a few games that I have enjoyed and wouldn't have even known about had it not been for them. If you're going to discuss the forum layout, fine. But it's mean to single out contributing members of the community to do so.
Actually, thanks to ne.zavarj's giveaways, it has made me aware of so many games I may not have found out about otherwise. I have also won a few of them, and am eternally greatful for their kindness, both ne-zavarj and the developers of those titles. I hope that they continue to put out such wonderful opportunities for these wonderful gems, and find it a shame they felt the need to cancel current giveaways over this. That being said, I have great respect for ne_zavarj for having the consideration for another, none-the-less. :)
Posted July 07, 2013
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wpegg: Generally I think these forums though not "popular" are "visible", we're just not using them enough.
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keeveek: And I don't think the problem lies with "us", but with how forums are organised and presented.

For example, steam game specific forums are used for variety of topics, from support topics to general talks about the game.

I can't really explain which differences between those two boards cause that.
Google Videos.

To elaborate, people will go where people are. The general forums have the largest amount of people because they are always visible. The game sub-forums will appear only after you buy the game, or if you go looking for it. So for people wondering if a game is worth it or not, they post where they can see, and where they know people will answer.

Not really sure about Steam's Forums, but I'd guess they are a bit more "organized" due to moderation. They have quite a few people looking at new threads and moving them to the proper subforum, more or less the same as "Wishlist link" for all the "When will game X be on GOG?" threads.

A few posts above you said that if you want to talk about a specific game, you post in the general forum and not the subforum, even though you are obviously aware of the subforums. Why are you doing that then, and how would a "Community events" forum be different?
Posted July 07, 2013
Sooooo... if any of you fancy a sleuth game you can find one here. It's just for fun, no giveaway this time. Let's take a break, shall we? ;)
Posted July 07, 2013
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Profanity: If he cancelled everything because some guy mentioned him in a post, it looks like he was pretty keen on cancelling everything anyway.
ne_zararj (also known as lackoo) has been around for a while. The giveaways were canceled due to him taking offence, or perhaps agreeing with the thread. I don't believe he was keen on dropping the giveaways.
Post edited July 07, 2013 by wpegg
Posted July 07, 2013
It was that poster's choice to cancel their giveaways, I don't think it's fair to play the blame game since that poster could have just as easily chosen to ignore the people who are complaining about GAs, and just paid attention to those folk who were enthused about the various GAs and appreciative of his efforts.

The problem was that the OP didn't know of the hide giveaway script, and I think if he was aware of that, he wouldn't have bothered to make this thread because there would not have been a reason to do so.

Now that a lot of people have found about the script, I don't think anyone should have a problem as long as gift givers use the word "giveaway" in their thread titles.
Posted July 07, 2013
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Profanity: If he cancelled everything because some guy mentioned him in a post, it looks like he was pretty keen on cancelling everything anyway.
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wpegg: ne_zararj (also known as lackoo) has been around for a while. The giveaways were canceled due to him taking offence, or perhaps agreeing with the thread. I don't believe he was keen on dropping the giveaways.
I'm not trying to insult the guy, but that's the first thing that pops into my head when a person chooses one fellow who has a problem with him instead of all the people that participate and appreciate what he's doing.

Especially when all the generous people are not the problem, but the limited space of one measly sub-forum in which everything has to fit.
Posted July 07, 2013
So let me get this straight, giveaways are a bad thing now?
Posted July 07, 2013
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Momo1991: I've never seen a blue GOG complain nor do many of us consider them Spam.
I wonder..

If some people regard them as spam.. do they actually report it as spam to back up their classification?
Posted July 07, 2013
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Kristian: So let me get this straight, giveaways are a bad thing now?
nope, only Scrooges that doesn't like any more
Posted July 07, 2013
Sigh. As usual, he is overreacting a lot.

One person mentioned him in his post. So what?
Really sound reason to cancel giveaways of codes provided by developers themselves.
A lot of people defended him here, but no, they are not important, only the one guy who didn't say he should cancel them, he just shared his personal opinion that they are cluttering forum and should be given separate forum.
Posted July 07, 2013
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cmdr_flashheart:
Think this is the fourth or fifth thread about this, and we're not a foot closer to any real movement in any direction, only people taking offence and leaving :(

What we rally need is a sticky with links to the two scripts that one can use on here. The hide-giveaway thread script, and Barefoot's uber script
Post edited July 07, 2013 by te_lanus
Posted July 07, 2013
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te_lanus: What we rally need is a sticky with links to the two scripts that one can use on here. The hide-giveaway thread script, and Barefoot's uber script
Next thing you know, gog web dev goes so lazy you have to run a script monkey simply to read forums or reply in them.
Posted July 07, 2013
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PetrusOctavianus: Isn't it about time all the giveaways, Steam key threads and recent spam threads by ne_zavarj find their own sub forum?
Or at least make it possible to filter out threads based on keywords?
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Momo1991: I'd like to point out that because of your commentary, ne_zavarj has cancelled all of the currently running giveaways of games donated by their DEVELOPERS. I was under the impression that this forum was mostly about games and these giveaways in particular are all about new games.

Personally, I enjoy these giveaways since they let me know about games I've never heard about and they give struggling developers another source of public relations here on the GOG forum. I've never seen a blue GOG complain nor do many of us consider them Spam. In fact, I have made a point to write to many of those developers to thank them even if their game isn't something I'd enjoy playing. And I've really enjoyed it when a dev joins in the thread giveaway - sometimes with useful or just interesting information.

Frankly, I'm a bit disturbed by this whole discussion especially when it specifically calls out a person who does a lot of hard work to encourage developers to donate free games to the GOG forum.
To be honest I had no idea of the excact nature of those giveaways.
I was just tired of the whole main forum being cluttered by gifting threads.
My wish was not to stop people from gifting games, but to make the forum less cluttered.

A solution to the problem, albeit a rather crude one, was found to the problem, so at least for me and some others something good came out of it.

In hindsight I'm sorry I targeted one individual and called it spamming, but I prefer being upfront about it, and it was after all ne_zavarj's numerous similar posts that was the final straw for me.
I think it's rather petty to recall the giftings based on my comment, though. I'm the last person to be affected by that.
Post edited July 07, 2013 by PetrusOctavianus
Posted July 07, 2013
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hedwards: I don't really think it would be that hard. They could make a "general games", "general general" and that alone would do wonders for organization around here without splitting things too much.

A tag based system where things are posted to a subforum via tag, would be nice, the outward appearance would be that you're placing it into a subforum, when really, you're just tagging it and everybody could easily filter out the ones that aren't of interest would be nice.

But, ultimately, this would require some moderation, something that Mr. Gog is apparently allergic to.
The problem I see though, is people come to the general forum for help that they could go to the subforums. Most people go to General before anything else. If you're moderating and moving the giveaways then I say those need to get moved as well!

Although, tags would work. Maybe, people are already too lazy to ignore threads though, they're gonna want someone else to set that up for them.

All and all though? I'm pretty dismayed here. It's kinda sad that generosity is somehow a problem, and that it's 'All about the rep', when it's not like that rep actually matters for anything.
Posted July 07, 2013
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grviper: Next thing you know, gog web dev goes so lazy you have to run a script monkey simply to read forums or reply in them.
"You know guys, we don't have more time to develop GOG downloader, so get that console based client somebody else made, we got tired of that shit" :D
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