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Klumpen0815: Nope, I didn't try to convert you, if I'd do this, I do it quite directly.
I just wanted to make clear, that the abundance of spices on those feast meals is awful, unrelated to the main ingredients. I like meals with a lot of salt, but it's nice to taste something else too.

Regarding your other topic: With enough protein I never had problems with strength in my craft or martial arts and I threw wooden planks and people aound that were a lot bigger and heavier than me all the time. Since there is a v body building world champion and people like this one, the connection you got there is misinformation. If you don't eat the same amount of protein etc... of vegetable origin you ate before of other origin, of course you'll become weak, most people fail at that at some point, which I don't quite understand, because there's always stuff like kidney beans etc... Of course in the long run you need a bigger variety of food and then you usually extend your usable lifespan a lot compared to the current western habits.
Just because it works well for others doesn't mean it works for me, and the existence of vegan bodybuilders is no proof. Everybody needs carbs and protein and vitamins but has to find these from different sources, there's no single solution that is healthy for everybody. And no satisfactory evidence, either. Also, eating takes time and eating all that vegan food means you're going to be chewing on that stuff all day long. On the other hand, I can devour a chicken in no time!

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Klumpen0815: The funny and ironic thing is: My teeth look a lot more carnivorous than the usual human ones, not only the fangs, but then again, the ones of gorillas (also vegan) look even more mean, so it must be for self defense. :D
Vegan vampire trollol :)
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awalterj: snip
It may surprise you, but I always wanted to try dog and maybe still.
I hate dogs (living in the city with most likely the largest dog population in my country by far) and if it's one that isn't bred for this purpose and free of parasites, I'd still be very tempted.
Actually, there's this aggressive always barking carpet rat in my house... ;)
Post edited December 15, 2014 by Klumpen0815
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awalterj: snip
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Klumpen0815: Nope, I didn't try to convert you, if I'd do this, I do it quite directly.
I just wanted to make clear, that the abundance of spices on those feast meals is awful, unrelated to the main ingredients. I like meals with a lot of salt, but it's nice to taste something else too.
Awalterj, he's not kidding. That far back, it's a very different set of tastes, health issues, cultural sensibilities, and all that being applied to those foods. It's usually advisable to adjust the mix and amount of spices in medieval recipes to modern tastes, yep yep. We have a greater variety of spices right now anyway. :)
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awalterj: I would like one of those sumptuous medieval feasts with ridiculous dishes like roasted wild boar filled with goose filled with pheasant filled with pigeons filled with plums and berries and whatnot. Just meat and fresh fruit and onions and stuff, no lame ass side dishes!
Have you seen this series? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heston%27s_Feasts

In particular the episodes - "Heston's Medieval Feast" and "Heston's Tudor Feast"
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Klumpen0815: It may surprise you, but I always wanted to try dog and maybe still.
I hate dogs (living in the city with most likely the largest dog population in my country by far) and if it's one that isn't bred for this purpose and free of parasites, I'd still be very tempted.
Actually, there's this aggressive always barking carpet rat in my house... ;)
Not surprised, I already saw your other post where you said something about wanting to eat natto which surely can't taste worse than dog. With the right preparation, dig is probably a lot tastier. Natto isn't quite as disgusting as it looks but I find it only edible when putting it into the breakfast rice and mixing everything with a raw egg. Natto by itself I don't really like so I have never made any attempts to find it here in Asian food stores. I'd love to incorporate more Asian food into my cooking but it's a bit difficult to find good quality stuff that isn't the cheap MSG industrial crap. For example, I'd love to have Miso soup every single day but the miso paste I find here is the mass produced kind with stuff in it I don't particularly want. East Asian food in general can be very healthy but only if it's the fresh home made variety, not the China restaurant MSG crap. Real home made and fresh Chinese/Thai/Vietnamese/Korean/Japanese food is something I could eat every day. I'm tired of the bread and cheese culture over here. I should just get a lifetime supply of Swiss chocolate and then move to East Asia.

As for the barking dogs, that's a complicated issue. I love dogs but those little barking shits (Zwergpinscher, Chihuahua etc) can drive anyone up the wall. What's most annoying is their owners. If you want to cook and eat someone, don't punish the dogs but have a 'talk' with the owners. The owners of those neurotic shivering little carpet rats with those weird paranoid eyes turned back at an unnatural angle are quite often either unfit to be dog owners or simply antisocial people. And by antisocial I don't mean they don't go to parties (which has nothing to to do with social anyway), I mean the actual meaning of the word in that they are people who are egoists in Lala-Land. Very often, owners of small dogs are unaware of the fact that even small dogs need a lot of exercise and long walks, and need to be trained every bit as much as big dogs. You can't just buy a small dog and keep it as a pillow warmer in the same way that one would keep a house cat, that doesn't work. As I had a smallish dog myself for many years, I understand the difficulty. You want to be the dog's friend but that doesn't cut it. A dog needs you to be his boss first and friend only second, so for people who just want a friend but aren't willing to train the dog and accept the fact that a dog thinks in terms of hierarchy and needs a master, it would be better for them to get another type of pet. I loved my dog very much but I didn't train it enough and I never had full control over it so I understand it's not easy. However, we lived in our own house and our dog only barked at people walking by outside the property on a set of stairs that were part of a public hiking trail. People didn't like that but the dog was behind a fence and only doing its job. In an apartment building, you can't allow dogs to bark, that a huge no-no. Anyway, I only once had a problem when a boy from Ex-Yugoslavia threw stones at my dog, the boy was young and had apparently not been raised to respect local customs. I was a few years older than him but didn't cut him any slack, ran after him and told him in unmistakable terms that he'd be done for if I ever saw him throwing stones again. That he understood, as that seems to be something anyone from any culture understands. It upsets me when one has to be harsh but as annoying as a barking dog is, you can't resort to violence and throw stones etc.
Our dog was a mix between a hunting dog and a guard dog so whenever anyone walked by, it went off like a burglar alarm, and back then I was too young to figure out how to properly train a dog so it can discern between a mere passerby and an intruder. Plus, I hate exerting authority over others, it deeply goes against my grain to boss anyone around, including animals. So even though I love dogs more than people, I don't think I'll have a dog again because I only want to be friends and dislike ordering dogs around and systematically training them.

As a solution to your problem, taking to the owners will most likely achieve absolutely nothing. I don't know those dog owners but I think I've seen enough of those kinda people. They think of themselves that they're nice and normal and that they aren't doing anything wrong. Your best bet is to get to know their dogs, bypassing all the owner BS.
You can't prevent the dogs from barking around inside their apartment but at least you can prevent them from barking at you if you make the effort to be on peaceful terms with them. I can give you some tips if you want on how to deal with that as I've learned a lot from mistakes in the past. But some dogs are already past the point where one can do anything, I'm talking about those Zwergpinschers that are so insanely neurotic and do not respond to even the smartest methods and tactics that even I would say they should be cooked - along with their owners.

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SalarShushan: Awalterj, he's not kidding. That far back, it's a very different set of tastes, health issues, cultural sensibilities, and all that being applied to those foods. It's usually advisable to adjust the mix and amount of spices in medieval recipes to modern tastes, yep yep. We have a greater variety of spices right now anyway. :)
I believe you, guess I'll have to stick to the fake renaissance fair food then - until I get a chance to be in charge of such a banquet and direct the use of spices myself :)
Post edited December 16, 2014 by awalterj
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wy4786: Have you seen this series? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heston%27s_Feasts

In particular the episodes - "Heston's Medieval Feast" and "Heston's Tudor Feast"
Checking them out right now, though I must say the part where they feature insects isn't exactly appetizing. I knew the Victorian Age elite was into weird stuff but I didn't know they liked to eat caterpillars. Interesting!
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wy4786: Have you seen this series? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heston%27s_Feasts

In particular the episodes - "Heston's Medieval Feast" and "Heston's Tudor Feast"
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awalterj: Checking them out right now, though I must say the part where they feature insects isn't exactly appetizing. I knew the Victorian Age elite was into weird stuff but I didn't know they liked to eat caterpillars. Interesting!
Insects like caterpillars, mealworms, grasshoppers, etc... are quite nutritious and I'm sure they have been eaten in our culture a long time ago too, you just have to know which ones are poisonous (just like with flowers, herbs and berries), like this one I encounteres a few months ago at a cemetary: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichen-Prozessionsspinner

By the way: I'm sure there is a lot of stuff to try around you that was eaten traditionally but people ignore today, like Bucheckern, Giersch, Gänseblümchen, Löwenzahn (beechnuts, ground elder, daisy, dandelion) and lots of other stuff.
In season, I sometimes make tasty spread out of those with a bit of onion/leek/gurkens and spices.
People have become so decadent, that they don't even care for the common edible stuff around them and rather waste even more ressources for producing stuff they want to have available all the time no matter what.
I often encounter trees full of tasty mirabelles in places where surely people pass by, but obviously don't know that it's edible like all the strawberries, raspberries etc.. they are leeching all the time before I could get there.

When this culture finally breaks down, you'll be better prepared too! ;)
Post edited December 16, 2014 by Klumpen0815
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Klumpen0815: ...
When this culture finally breaks down, you'll be better prepared too! ;)
Gänseblümchen & Löwenzahn etc are awesome and valuable, if you can pick them from a spot that is A) not overfertilized and B) not near traffic. I know a bit about Öko-Kräutlizeug but for the most part I'm just too lazy to go out there and pick my own salad. My best friend and especially his wife are very knowledgeable about this stuff, they are quite amazing because as a family with 3 little kids they sometimes spend less on groceries than I spend for myself, just because they shop a lot smarter, make their own jams etc.
I don't splurge or buy overly expensive stuff but I certainly don't shop smartly, often eating the better part of my shoppings before I'm even home. Then I scratch my head and go like, what the hell is this, can't I shop more strategically???

As for culture breaking down, of course it eventually will. Cultures always go up and then down. I filled two boxes with emergency canned food and keep a supply of around 50l of drinkable water. This is just for emergencies that can happen anywhere though, not a solution for the break down of civilization. If it comes to that, I honestly ask myself: Do you really want to stick around? It's not the strong that will survive, but the assholes (talking about densely populated areas with insufficient food production of their own like it's the case here in Western Europe). Do you want to be around assholes then?
When my emergency food supply started to look a bit like I'm starting to loot horder prep for doomsday, I ate half of it. Because cynicism. Now it's back to normal short term emergency supply level which every single person should have, unless they're antisocial/stupid.
Post edited December 16, 2014 by awalterj
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Klumpen0815: ...
When this culture finally breaks down, you'll be better prepared too! ;)
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awalterj: Gänseblümchen & Löwenzahn etc are awesome and valuable, if you can pick them from a spot that is A) not overfertilized and B) not near traffic. I know a bit about Öko-Kräutlizeug but for the most part I'm just too lazy to go out there and pick my own salad. My best friend and especially his wife are very knowledgeable about this stuff, they are quite amazing because as a family with 3 little kids they sometimes spend less on groceries than I spend for myself, just because they shop a lot smarter, make their own jams etc.
I don't splurge or buy overly expensive stuff but I certainly don't shop smartly, often eating the better part of my shoppings before I'm even home. Then I scratch my head and go like, what the hell is this, can't I shop more strategically???

As for culture breaking down, of course it eventually will. Cultures always go up and then down. I filled two boxes with emergency canned food and keep a supply of around 50l of drinkable water. This is just for emergencies that can happen anywhere though, not a solution for the break down of civilization. If it comes to that, I honestly ask myself: Do you really want to stick around? It's not the strong that will survive, but the assholes (talking about densely populated areas with insufficient food production of their own like it's the case here in Western Europe). Do you want to be around assholes then?
When my emergency food supply started to look a bit like I'm starting to loot horder prep for doomsday, I ate half of it. Because cynicism. Now it's back to normal short term emergency supply level which every single person should have, unless they're antisocial/stupid.
I'll be fine in the apocalypse, I got more knives than Gabe Newell.
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ScotchMonkey: I'll be fine in the apocalypse, I got more knives than Gabe Newell.
Sure?
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ScotchMonkey: I'll be fine in the apocalypse, I got more knives than Gabe Newell.
Noob: never bring a knife to an apocalypse fight!

(unless it's a multi-tool one with a can opener, of course)
Post edited December 16, 2014 by awalterj
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ScotchMonkey: I'll be fine in the apocalypse, I got more knives than Gabe Newell.
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awalterj: Noob: never bring a knife to an apocalypse fight!

(unless it's a multi-tool one with a can opener, of course)
I have several : )