You must learn to govern your passions; they will be your undoing. I'm not copying my world view from Yoda. I just like using the words dark side. :) If one of his victims was a loved one, I'd be extremely sad, obviously. I'd be sad to a point where life is not enjoyable anymore. But why would seeing him get tortured or killed make me comfortable? The only thing that would make me comfortable at that point is if I got back what he took away. In order to find comfort in the torture and death in anyone, I'd have to be a monster. And often times, the death of a loved one turns people into monsters because they don't realize the road they are taking. And you have to realize people like Richard Ramirez are creatures of hate, anger and all other things that are not good. Why would you want to be like him?

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Yeah, whenever I think "Hey, what's right in the world?" Gandalf always come to mind...

Evil = Evil. That's how it works, basically unless people are wise enough not to fall into the trap.

From Star Wars to Star Trek, how eloquent...

I might very well be daft, but I don't understand your use of the word 'judgmental' here. And I found that sad too. Not that Osama bin Laden died, mind, but that people were celebrating it. Rehabilitate as well as possible. In cases were rehabilitation is not an option, they should be treated humanely, and to the extent possible be given the ability to lead meaningful lives where they might in some way contribute back to society. This while at the same time protecting society at large by keeping them separated from it. Retribution has never proved to be a good deterrent, and certainly not proved to lower the risk of convicts re-offending.
Norway has one of the most - if not the most - humane penal systems in the world. Yet, Norway have among the lowest murder rates in the world, among the lowest percentage of it's population incarcerated in the world, and among the lowest recidivism rates in the world. And the best way to mend a broken human being is to treat them like a human being. Treat them with respect and provide them with education, health care, responsibilities, and some thing that will help them create meaning in their lives.

This is a report on one of the prisons in the Norwegian system, Bastøy. It's an island where the inmates - including murderers and rapists - live as normal lives as is possible. They hold livestock, grow vegetables, watch TV, prepare most of their own meals, earn some money so that they can buy their own food and other products they need from the on-site supermarket. After 4 pm there are only four guards on the whole island. Even the ferry, which is the only way to get to the mainland, is operated by an inmate. And with a reoffending rate at 16%, it's below the National average.

This is only one of quite a few articles about Bastøy, other Norwegian prisons, or the Norwegian penal system as a whole, but I found it fascinating as it was written by Erwin James, a journalist who himself has served 20 years in prison for murder, so he was able to draw some comparisons to his own familiarity with the British penal system.

I'm on my hands and knees begging for someone to close this thread. I don't care about the rep but this has become a whole lot of screaming (well typing loudly) and I never in a million years would have ever thought about posting anything like this if I thought this was going to happen.

While I am not going to apologize or take back my thoughts on this I will apologize (and I will PM it to every person in this thread if need be) for making this a topic In a game forum where people come to hang out and be groovy and discuss important things like Lara Croft's cleavage.

I'm sorry.

Let's all just be shiny happy people again. :D

From all-mighty wiki:

"As a child, Ramirez was influenced by his cousin, Mike, a Special Forces veteran who boasted of his gruesome exploits during the Vietnam War and showed him Polaroid pictures of his victims.[11] These included pictures of Mike raping a Vietnamese woman. The last picture of that series showed Mike posing with the woman's severed head.[12] Ramirez was present the night Mike shot and killed his wife, and her blood spattered on Ramirez's face.[citation needed] Ramirez was 13 years old at the time. After the murder, his behavior changed dramatically; he dropped out of school, began using drugs, and adopted odd sleeping habits.[13]"

holy hell what childhood.

...not that it gives any sort of right to the stuff he did - but damn.

Is that all you got? Attacking me for using some words from Star Wars and Star Trek? Why don't you continue trying to defend your fucked up childish eye for an eye shit philosophy that = MURDER AND TORTURE IS COOL AND MAKES ME FEEL GOOD.

He may throw you a quote from Batman: Vengeance or Naruto in return and you will reach a dead end.

It's extremely arrogant at best to think you have what it takes to decide who lives and who dies.
Only willing to accept Star Trek quotes.

There's nothing childish about. It's societal hygiene, and nothing else. Each rational society just realizes there are some lines that must not be crossed, and anyone who crosses them renounces any humanity doing so, and must suffer in the worst ways possible. That's it.

It's not spreading around the forum like wildfire (just in this thread from what I've seen), don't feel bad about it.

There always has to be something to argue about. :P

Gee

For the first time, GOG's forum really disappointed me...