Posted July 28, 2013
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Cormoran
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Posted July 28, 2013
I believe so, to be fair to him though that was due to the exorbitant price that MS demands from developers/publishers for each patch they want to upload.
You'd think MS would be more willing to accommodate this at a cheaper price or even freely since it can only result in a better experience for their customers. No one wants to play a buggy game when there's a bug-free alternative.
EDIT: ninja'd.
Also this is likely the most creative use of a story I'll ever come across that includes Beer, Fish and Blow.
You'd think MS would be more willing to accommodate this at a cheaper price or even freely since it can only result in a better experience for their customers. No one wants to play a buggy game when there's a bug-free alternative.
EDIT: ninja'd.
Also this is likely the most creative use of a story I'll ever come across that includes Beer, Fish and Blow.
Post edited July 28, 2013 by Cormoran
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Posted July 28, 2013
Bloodygoodgames: Entirely up to you what you do with your money.
All I can say is, when you fund someone that you know is prejudiced, racist, bigoted, homophobic (that would be TenNapel), an asshole, whatever, you are supporting that philosophy and that person. So, for me, it's something I never do if I DO know about the person's views and find them offensive. (You can't know about everyone's philosophies, but you can choose to support or not support those people who's philosophies you DO know about).
Same reason I never buy at Starbucks (they give mega millions to Israel), haven't bought Dominoes pizza in decades as they're one of the US' biggest funders of anti-abortion groups and on and on and on. So, just as I don't ever knowingly buy Israeli products, not until the Israeli government stop massacring Palestinians -- I will never buy a copy of Fez as Fish is a self-involved, narcissistic, rude, ignorant, abrasive and abusive asshole.
Please, be careful before posting BS. You're comparing things that are COMPLETELY different. Boycotting companies with unethical practices is one thing, boycotting an artist based solely on his political/philosofical/religious views is a completely different matter. All I can say is, when you fund someone that you know is prejudiced, racist, bigoted, homophobic (that would be TenNapel), an asshole, whatever, you are supporting that philosophy and that person. So, for me, it's something I never do if I DO know about the person's views and find them offensive. (You can't know about everyone's philosophies, but you can choose to support or not support those people who's philosophies you DO know about).
Same reason I never buy at Starbucks (they give mega millions to Israel), haven't bought Dominoes pizza in decades as they're one of the US' biggest funders of anti-abortion groups and on and on and on. So, just as I don't ever knowingly buy Israeli products, not until the Israeli government stop massacring Palestinians -- I will never buy a copy of Fez as Fish is a self-involved, narcissistic, rude, ignorant, abrasive and abusive asshole.
TenNapel will not use the KS money to fund anti-gay campaigns, he will use it to fund his game, which i DID like. As a game designer i like him, and i'm not boycotting his games just because he has different opinions than mine. That would be just as ignorant and prejudicious. No, i don't agree with his view, but i believe in something called "freedom of speech". If he had spanked a homossexual to death or something like that, then yes it would be different, but that was far from being the case.
Bloodygoodgames: Unfortunately, most people abrogate responsibility and buy products like Fez simply because they "want them". Selfish? Absolutely. Surprising? Not in the least, as I've learnt over the years the vast majority of people are selfish and couldn't give a toss about anyone else or anything else as long as it doesn't impact their ability to get "what they want".
And how exactly is someone being selfish for buying Fez? Is everyone obliged to have the same opinon as yours now? What kind of evil has this guy done other than making some silly comments? Why the fuck should i boycott Fez because YOU want me to? Like i said, Phil Fish was not responsible for the massacre of jews during WW2, in case you didn't know. I can't see as much harm as you see on him. There are many games here published by companies which did much more harm than Fish could ever dream of. He's just a passionate indie developer that acts like an asshole on Twitter. The way you say it makes him look like a child molester or something.
Bloodygoodgames: Oh and no, Beer did NOT come off as "the biggest asshole". Read the comments directed at Beer and at Fish -- both at the webshows website and at Polytron's, and the vast majority are negative towards Fish as, frankly, many gamers are just sick of him and his 3-year-old child attitude.
Oh yes, Beer did. Unless you seriously want me to believe that insulting Fish and Blow just because they didn't want to appear in his show is the right thing to do.Post edited July 28, 2013 by Neobr10
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Posted July 28, 2013
I've not watched the show and I've mainly read what's been posted in this thread. I have two questions:
1. How old are these guys?
2. What's so unique/ distinctive about Fez that warrants a sequel (haven't played it)?
1. How old are these guys?
2. What's so unique/ distinctive about Fez that warrants a sequel (haven't played it)?
Cormoran
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Posted July 28, 2013
Bloodygoodgames: Oh and no, Beer did NOT come off as "the biggest asshole". Read the comments directed at Beer and at Fish -- both at the webshows website and at Polytron's, and the vast majority are negative towards Fish as, frankly, many gamers are just sick of him and his 3-year-old child attitude.
Neobr10: Oh yes, Beer did. Unless you seriously want me to believe that insulting Fish and Blow just because they didn't want to appear in his show is the right thing to do. Other journalists emailed Fish and Blow to ask for their comments, they could have either commented or just ignored the requests. I havent found any tweets from Fish but Blows response to those emails was to hit up twitter and start insulting the journalists for asking his opinion, I'm unsure if Fish did the same but Marcus seems to imply that he did, and that's where he came in with his IW rant.
SSSHHH!!!! Do not mention that name, it brings forth the beast of a thousand flamewars!
Post edited July 28, 2013 by Cormoran
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Posted July 28, 2013
HypersomniacLive: I've not watched the show and I've mainly read what's been posted in this thread. I have two questions:
1. How old are these guys?
2. What's so unique/ distinctive about Fez that warrants a sequel (haven't played it)?
Answering (or trying to, anyway) your questions: 1. How old are these guys?
2. What's so unique/ distinctive about Fez that warrants a sequel (haven't played it)?
1. Both should be old enough not to publicly and shamelessly offend each other. Phil Fish should be old enough not to be the diva he is. Marcus Beer should be old enough not to be a pretentious douche just because he's a "journalist".
2. Fez is actually a good game, if you're into that kind of thing. It's kind of a Tower Toppler clone (google it up, if you're not in the know), like someone said before, with good pixel art, a nice setting and the ability to explore three dimensions in a 2D world (akin to the mechanics in Super Paper Mario, for a quick reference). I understand why so many people boycott Fez, and I don't blame them, but if they could get past the asshole-ry of Phil Fish, and gave the game a chance, they would probably enjoy it. Is it worth a sequel? Well, it depends on what the game meant to you, and whether Fish still had something to give players taking place in that particular universe. I guess we'll never know, now.
They're both douchebags, but at least Fish has a good game to show, I guess, whereas all Beer does is being mean and rude to people just because they disagree with him, because "it's his job" and we should get on with the times, "it's the internet age, everyone is mean and stupid and so should you!"
Post edited July 28, 2013 by groze
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Posted July 28, 2013
DaCostaBR: http://www.examiner.com/article/phil-fish-breaks-a-gasket-tells-media-member-to-kill-himself
To sum up: Phil Fish had a bit of a fight with the host of the show Invisible Walls, from Gametrailers, on Twitter. Then said Fez 2 was cancelled, locked his Twitter, and now the official Polytron account is reiterating it with: "It's with a heavy heart that we announce that FEZ II has been cancelled and is no longer in development. We apologize for the disappointment."
I don't think he'll actually cancel it, but the whole thing has been peculiar, to say the least.
Wow, i did not know 5 year olds could program a video game on their own. Looks like this child prodigy needs his nap time though.To sum up: Phil Fish had a bit of a fight with the host of the show Invisible Walls, from Gametrailers, on Twitter. Then said Fez 2 was cancelled, locked his Twitter, and now the official Polytron account is reiterating it with: "It's with a heavy heart that we announce that FEZ II has been cancelled and is no longer in development. We apologize for the disappointment."
I don't think he'll actually cancel it, but the whole thing has been peculiar, to say the least.
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Posted July 28, 2013
Just leave the man in peace and let him get on with his job. I do not care how much of a douchebag or not he is. As long he is not doing anything illegal he should be free do his art as he wants, without the need to legitimize his existence in the field.
It does looks like he has some personal issues and a very big personality, but this hounding does not seem to help in this regard at all. You may or may not like his game, but it was a well crafted original piece. Congratulations to the gaming community for driving away another original designer.
It does looks like he has some personal issues and a very big personality, but this hounding does not seem to help in this regard at all. You may or may not like his game, but it was a well crafted original piece. Congratulations to the gaming community for driving away another original designer.
Post edited July 28, 2013 by amok
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Posted July 28, 2013
amok: Just leave the man in peace and let him get on with his job. I do not care how much of a douchebag or not he is. As long he is not doing anything illegal he should be free do his art as he wants, without the need to legitimize his existence in the field.
It does looks like he has some personal issues and a very big personality, but this hounding does not seem to help in this regard at all. You may or may not like his game, but it was a well crafted original piece. Congratulations to the gaming community for driving away another original designer.
I just don't think Fish should let the Annoyed Gamer's words stop him from making the sequel. It seems childish on his part, I mean who does that? His game wasn't what got attacked! Its almost like he couldn't get the sequel done so he is using this incident as an excuse or its just a publicity stunt where he will 'listen to his fan's outcries' and get the game uncanceled and released. It just seems well....fishy.It does looks like he has some personal issues and a very big personality, but this hounding does not seem to help in this regard at all. You may or may not like his game, but it was a well crafted original piece. Congratulations to the gaming community for driving away another original designer.
amok
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Posted July 28, 2013
amok: Just leave the man in peace and let him get on with his job. I do not care how much of a douchebag or not he is. As long he is not doing anything illegal he should be free do his art as he wants, without the need to legitimize his existence in the field.
It does looks like he has some personal issues and a very big personality, but this hounding does not seem to help in this regard at all. You may or may not like his game, but it was a well crafted original piece. Congratulations to the gaming community for driving away another original designer.
grunthos64: I just don't think Fish should let the Annoyed Gamer's words stop him from making the sequel. It seems childish on his part, I mean who does that? His game wasn't what got attacked! Its almost like he couldn't get the sequel done so he is using this incident as an excuse or its just a publicity stunt where he will 'listen to his fan's outcries' and get the game uncanceled and released. It just seems well....fishy. It does looks like he has some personal issues and a very big personality, but this hounding does not seem to help in this regard at all. You may or may not like his game, but it was a well crafted original piece. Congratulations to the gaming community for driving away another original designer.
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Posted July 28, 2013
groze: 2. Fez is actually a good game, if you're into that kind of thing. It's kind of a Tower Toppler clone (google it up, if you're not in the know)
I wasn't, until Google revealed that I know that game by its original (European) name "Nebulus". http://www.mobygames.com/game/tower-toppler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZlZqcMbfos
Yeah, I recall playing that on Amiga... Maybe I played Fez too little, as I didn't instantly make the connection to Nebulus.
Taco Toosday
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grunthos64: I just don't think Fish should let the Annoyed Gamer's words stop him from making the sequel. It seems childish on his part, I mean who does that? His game wasn't what got attacked! Its almost like he couldn't get the sequel done so he is using this incident as an excuse or its just a publicity stunt where he will 'listen to his fan's outcries' and get the game uncanceled and released. It just seems well....fishy.
amok: You do realise that this is an ongoing issue, it has been for years, This is just the straw that broke the camels back. Just let the man be. Aver
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Posted July 28, 2013
But who stops him from making games? Nobody. Also if you are making publicly comments like "PC are for spreadsheets" or "Japanese games sucks" then you can expect that other will use similar words towards you. Acting rude is like a bait for other rude people. "Don't be a douche, if you can't stand other douches".
Post edited July 28, 2013 by Aver
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Posted July 28, 2013
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Bloodygoodgames: Unfortunately, most people abrogate responsibility and buy products like Fez simply because they "want them". Selfish? Absolutely. Surprising? Not in the least, as I've learnt over the years the vast majority of people are selfish and couldn't give a toss about anyone else or anything else as long as it doesn't impact their ability to get "what they want".
Putting how self-centered that comment was aside, that's how market works. Not to mention most people who have Fez don't even know who Phil Fish is, and good for them - I most definitely am not going to research personality of creators of all the content I buy.