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hedwards: EDIT: Anybody else having saves disappear post patch?
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chautemoc: Hmm..I just noticed the Steam Cloud is re-enabled for me..
I probably should've mentioned that I'm using the PS3 version, which as far as I know didn't have a save problem previously.
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hedwards: I probably should've mentioned that I'm using the PS3 version, which as far as I know didn't have a save problem previously.
Probably :P
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michaelleung: Once you're in New Vegas, the cool shit begins.

Also, if you're one of the five people (or almost everyone on NMA) who finds Bethsoft's iteration of Fallout crap, I implore you to get that Vault Boy toy out of your ass and OPEN YOUR MIND.
The story, writing and choice and consequence in Fallout 3 were all utter crap. Those were core elements of the originals, so it makes sense for people who loved those games to be disappointed.
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michaelleung: Once you're in New Vegas, the cool shit begins.

Also, if you're one of the five people (or almost everyone on NMA) who finds Bethsoft's iteration of Fallout crap, I implore you to get that Vault Boy toy out of your ass and OPEN YOUR MIND.
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StingingVelvet: The story, writing and choice and consequence in Fallout 3 were all utter crap. Those were core elements of the originals, so it makes sense for people who loved those games to be disappointed.
"GODDAMN IT IT'S NOT ISOMETRIC"

Fallout New Vegas had FAR better writing than FO3 though. Obsidian may not be good at developing games but goddamn they're good at writing stories.
Post edited October 29, 2010 by michaelleung
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michaelleung: "GODDAMN IT IT'S NOT ISOMETRIC"
Some people don't like first-person games. Some people consider turn-based to be the purest form of role-playing because it relies on character, not player, skill and stats.

I liked Fallout 3 as an action game with great exploration, but I can completely understand why people who loved the first two might not love the third. There are major differences between the two, not just in combat but also in writing, story, focus and quest design. Telling people to "pull their head out of their ass and like it" is like telling them because you enjoyed it everyone should. I repeat, there are real reasons why someone might like a well written isometric turn-based RPG and not like a poorly written real-time first-person shooter with RPG elements.

Now, for those who were mainly disappointed with Fallout 3 in comparison to 1 and 2 because of its steep decline in writing, story and quest design they should love New Vegas, and hey guess what? They do. Reaction to New Vegas has been surprisingly positive on NMA and RPG Codex from a lot of people, a lot of those folks are having a great time with it.
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chautemoc: Hmm..I just noticed the Steam Cloud is re-enabled for me..
Steam cloud doesn't save progress though, unfortunately. At least, I don't think it does. I just completed the game and had a look at my save game folder which is over 500MB in size (~120 saves). Pretty sure Steam cloud doesn't sync that much data.

A shame really... it would have been nice to be able to access the saves directly from the Steam cloud when the inevitable DLC is made available. Now I have to back them up manually.
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chautemoc: Hmm..I just noticed the Steam Cloud is re-enabled for me..
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spindoctor: Steam cloud doesn't save progress though, unfortunately. At least, I don't think it does. I just completed the game and had a look at my save game folder which is over 500MB in size (~120 saves). Pretty sure Steam cloud doesn't sync that much data.

A shame really... it would have been nice to be able to access the saves directly from the Steam cloud when the inevitable DLC is made available. Now I have to back them up manually.
4 MB a save... sounds reasonable that Steam Cloud would do it.
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michaelleung: 4 MB a save... sounds reasonable that Steam Cloud would do it.
To my knowledge, Steam cloud never syncs files that big. They have to be in kilobytes to work with the system. Which usually means the game has to be designed in such a way so as to have the saves in the form of XML metadata files or something like that.
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michaelleung: 4 MB a save... sounds reasonable that Steam Cloud would do it.
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spindoctor: To my knowledge, Steam cloud never syncs files that big. They have to be in kilobytes to work with the system. Which usually means the game has to be designed in such a way so as to have the saves in the form of XML metadata files or something like that.
If it's just metadata or just variables that you have triggered that would mean really really easy save game hacking. I like.
Pretty sure Steamcloud only works on quicksaves and autosaves, as those were the two effected when it wasn't working. All the other saves were fine.
Attention Spoilers ahead

I have played Fallout 3: New Vegas for 31 hours now. I am exploring the Mojave desert and do not care much about the storyline. I want to give an example of the game scale. To walk from the start village to the city of New Vegas i spent 45 minutes only walking. And the route was cleared by me before.

The wasteland feels like a wasteland. There is much space and some occasional monsters or gangs to fight. But not too much. Its not overcrowded and feels like a radiated waste. The need of drinking, eating and sleeping improves the pressing need to survive. Only thirst seems to be a little weak. You are just not thirsty enough for running and fighting your way through the Mojave desert. I think its one of the hottest places on earth, so you should be thirsty much more. But its a fun game not a desert survival simulator.

The level scaling of enemies is hidden very well. Most places are filled with all levels of enemies. In the dust bowls there are small scorpions and giant scorpions mixed. So you can fight them like you desire. The combat in the wide open space is somewhat easy, when you are playing as a sniper. But hey i don't know of an animal that stands a chance against a hunting rifle.

Every small village has 2 or 3 quests for you. The wasteland is not overcrowded it feels just well for a apocalyptic world. The locations are well made. When people in a location talk about their job to guard a river from enemy scouts crossing it, the scout post sits nicely on top of the river on a mountain spine. From the river you can't see the scout post at all. Forts are easy to defend. Most farms have their own defense lines. The farms without defenses are mostly smoldering ruins. When your job is to search for radio post each of the locations actually has an antenna.

There are no quests like go kill 10 bugs and bring me their eyes. I found only a few kill requests of NPCs. Its more like stop those evil gang from hunting our Brahmin or go secure the road to the north. The quests are not generic. Each questline has several steps and you need a little bit of thinking to do it. Some of the quests check your stats to finish. The storyline is okay so far. Nothing really fantastic but okay.

I did not try to play as a peace loving hippie. The shooting with guns skill is needed for every character build except melee fighters and commanders. Without killing things you would have a very hard time to get experience. You could get some XP by sneaking around in stealth and accomplishing the mission objectives, but its not enough to level. The lonesome (without 7 followers) pacifist would be the iron man mode of FNW. I will try it some time.

Ah and the most important thing. FNW has strong ties to fallout 1 and 2. The Khans out of Fallout 1 are back. The Crimson Red Caravan is back in business. The water traders. The Hub is now the economical center of the RNK state. Your actions in fallout 1 actually shaped the history of the world. It feels like a real successor to the original fallout series. No, you can not kill children, or sell your lovely bride to slave hunters. But who cares. Its Fallout, its back.

The best open world RPG is reallife but in pc games FNW is in the top 5 for me. Top 5 Fallout 3 / FNW, Gothic 2 + addon, World of Warcraft (Exploring the world in first month) -addons, Ultima 4 to 7, UW1 + 2.

Have a nice desert trip.
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torqual76: I have played Fallout 3: New Vegas for 31 hours now. I am exploring the Mojave desert and do not care much about the storyline. I want to give an example of the game scale. To walk from the start village to the city of New Vegas i spent 45 minutes only walking. And the route was cleared by me before.
It's funny that some people say it's smaller than Fallout 3 when it's actually a good bit larger. Not sure what makes them think it's smaller.
I only have about 5 hours under my belt so far and have barely left the starting area. Looking forward to sinking a good 20+ hours into over the weekend.

I'm glad to hear about the size of the wasteland though. I was convinced it was much, much smaller - the world map I can see in the pipboy certainly suggests so. Also I thought those bright lights in the distance was New Vegas, but if it's a 45-minute stroll away from Goodsprings then I must have been wrong.
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StingingVelvet: It's funny that some people say it's smaller than Fallout 3 when it's actually a good bit larger. Not sure what makes them think it's smaller.
I was convinced it was much smaller. In fact I was about to post here asking why that was the case. Something must have got me fooled.
Post edited October 29, 2010 by stonebro
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stonebro: I only have about 5 hours under my belt so far and have barely left the starting area. Looking forward to sinking a good 20+ hours into over the weekend.

I'm glad to hear about the size of the wasteland though. I was convinced it was much, much smaller - the world map I can see in the pipboy certainly suggests so. Also I thought those bright lights in the distance was New Vegas, but if it's a 45-minute stroll away from Goodsprings then I must have been wrong.
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StingingVelvet: It's funny that some people say it's smaller than Fallout 3 when it's actually a good bit larger. Not sure what makes them think it's smaller.
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stonebro: I was convinced it was much smaller. In fact I was about to post here asking why that was the case. Something must have got me fooled.
Maybe because it doesn't have a number attached to the word Fallout so people immediately think standalone expansion pack.
Fallout as a Steam game: What a sad world :(