Posted October 29, 2010

hedwards
buy Evil Genius
Registered: Nov 2008
From United States

destroyermaker
damaged lemon
Registered: Nov 2008
From Canada

StingingVelvet
Devil's Advocate
Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted October 29, 2010
The story, writing and choice and consequence in Fallout 3 were all utter crap. Those were core elements of the originals, so it makes sense for people who loved those games to be disappointed.

michaelleung
YOU ARE ALL RETARDS
Registered: Sep 2008
From Canada
Posted October 29, 2010

Also, if you're one of the five people (or almost everyone on NMA) who finds Bethsoft's iteration of Fallout crap, I implore you to get that Vault Boy toy out of your ass and OPEN YOUR MIND.

Fallout New Vegas had FAR better writing than FO3 though. Obsidian may not be good at developing games but goddamn they're good at writing stories.
Post edited October 29, 2010 by michaelleung

StingingVelvet
Devil's Advocate
Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted October 29, 2010
Some people don't like first-person games. Some people consider turn-based to be the purest form of role-playing because it relies on character, not player, skill and stats.
I liked Fallout 3 as an action game with great exploration, but I can completely understand why people who loved the first two might not love the third. There are major differences between the two, not just in combat but also in writing, story, focus and quest design. Telling people to "pull their head out of their ass and like it" is like telling them because you enjoyed it everyone should. I repeat, there are real reasons why someone might like a well written isometric turn-based RPG and not like a poorly written real-time first-person shooter with RPG elements.
Now, for those who were mainly disappointed with Fallout 3 in comparison to 1 and 2 because of its steep decline in writing, story and quest design they should love New Vegas, and hey guess what? They do. Reaction to New Vegas has been surprisingly positive on NMA and RPG Codex from a lot of people, a lot of those folks are having a great time with it.
I liked Fallout 3 as an action game with great exploration, but I can completely understand why people who loved the first two might not love the third. There are major differences between the two, not just in combat but also in writing, story, focus and quest design. Telling people to "pull their head out of their ass and like it" is like telling them because you enjoyed it everyone should. I repeat, there are real reasons why someone might like a well written isometric turn-based RPG and not like a poorly written real-time first-person shooter with RPG elements.
Now, for those who were mainly disappointed with Fallout 3 in comparison to 1 and 2 because of its steep decline in writing, story and quest design they should love New Vegas, and hey guess what? They do. Reaction to New Vegas has been surprisingly positive on NMA and RPG Codex from a lot of people, a lot of those folks are having a great time with it.

spindoctor
New User
Registered: Feb 2009
From India
Posted October 29, 2010
Steam cloud doesn't save progress though, unfortunately. At least, I don't think it does. I just completed the game and had a look at my save game folder which is over 500MB in size (~120 saves). Pretty sure Steam cloud doesn't sync that much data.
A shame really... it would have been nice to be able to access the saves directly from the Steam cloud when the inevitable DLC is made available. Now I have to back them up manually.
A shame really... it would have been nice to be able to access the saves directly from the Steam cloud when the inevitable DLC is made available. Now I have to back them up manually.

michaelleung
YOU ARE ALL RETARDS
Registered: Sep 2008
From Canada
Posted October 29, 2010

A shame really... it would have been nice to be able to access the saves directly from the Steam cloud when the inevitable DLC is made available. Now I have to back them up manually.

spindoctor
New User
Registered: Feb 2009
From India
Posted October 29, 2010
To my knowledge, Steam cloud never syncs files that big. They have to be in kilobytes to work with the system. Which usually means the game has to be designed in such a way so as to have the saves in the form of XML metadata files or something like that.

michaelleung
YOU ARE ALL RETARDS
Registered: Sep 2008
From Canada
Posted October 29, 2010
If it's just metadata or just variables that you have triggered that would mean really really easy save game hacking. I like.

StingingVelvet
Devil's Advocate
Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted October 29, 2010
Pretty sure Steamcloud only works on quicksaves and autosaves, as those were the two effected when it wasn't working. All the other saves were fine.

torqual76
stranded marine
Registered: Jun 2010
From Germany

StingingVelvet
Devil's Advocate
Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted October 29, 2010


stonebro
Love Lumberjacks
Registered: Sep 2008
From Netherlands
Posted October 29, 2010
I only have about 5 hours under my belt so far and have barely left the starting area. Looking forward to sinking a good 20+ hours into over the weekend.
I'm glad to hear about the size of the wasteland though. I was convinced it was much, much smaller - the world map I can see in the pipboy certainly suggests so. Also I thought those bright lights in the distance was New Vegas, but if it's a 45-minute stroll away from Goodsprings then I must have been wrong.
I was convinced it was much smaller. In fact I was about to post here asking why that was the case. Something must have got me fooled.
I'm glad to hear about the size of the wasteland though. I was convinced it was much, much smaller - the world map I can see in the pipboy certainly suggests so. Also I thought those bright lights in the distance was New Vegas, but if it's a 45-minute stroll away from Goodsprings then I must have been wrong.
I was convinced it was much smaller. In fact I was about to post here asking why that was the case. Something must have got me fooled.
Post edited October 29, 2010 by stonebro

michaelleung
YOU ARE ALL RETARDS
Registered: Sep 2008
From Canada
Posted October 29, 2010

I'm glad to hear about the size of the wasteland though. I was convinced it was much, much smaller - the world map I can see in the pipboy certainly suggests so. Also I thought those bright lights in the distance was New Vegas, but if it's a 45-minute stroll away from Goodsprings then I must have been wrong.



ERISS
AftershockRelief
Registered: Dec 2008
From France
Posted October 29, 2010
Fallout as a Steam game: What a sad world :(