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Can't just the game be launched with a steam emulator which replaces steam entirely?
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frankd3: "According to senior producer, Jason Bergman, 'we’ve implemented Steamworks in as light and unobtrusive a way as possible...
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Gersen: I love how they all says that they have implemented Steam/Securom/whatever in a "as light and unobtrusive as possible" way while in the end they implemented it exactly the same way that anybody else.

Well I was hopping (with very little hope) that maybe they would have implemented Steamwork the same way they implemented Securom on F3 (ie only on the launcher not in the game itself) but apparently it's not the case... well looks like I will have to borrow my brother PS3 version.
It only requires a one time online activation at install. Other than that, it shares nothing with the more intrusive drm schemes that have limited hardware installs/activations, constant online connections, etc. While I'm no fan of any drm I do have to admit this is about as non-intrusive as one can expect from a drm scheme.
When one considers this and the fact that this one is absent GFWL, I can't understand how someone could be o.k. with FO3's protection but not FNV's.
Won't be able to pick up my copy until this friday. getting anxious.
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HampsterStyle: It only requires a one time online activation at install. Other than that, it shares nothing with the more intrusive drm schemes that have limited hardware installs/activations, constant online connections, etc. While I'm no fan of any drm I do have to admit this is about as non-intrusive as one can expect from a drm scheme.
When one considers this and the fact that this one is absent GFWL, I can't understand how someone could be o.k. with FO3's protection but not FNV's.
I agree. This is starting to sound good to me.
Well thats a surprise, they've pushed the release date forward for australia, looks like I'll be getting it about midday tomorrow
If New Vegas had been on GFWL again, I probably wouldn't have gotten it for the PC. Steam is such a better alternative.
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HampsterStyle: When one considers this and the fact that this one is absent GFWL, I can't understand how someone could be o.k. with FO3's protection but not FNV's.
FO3 didn't require any activation ever (GFWL doesn't require any only activation) and if you clicked on the main game exe instead of the launcher one you bypassed securom completely.
Post edited October 20, 2010 by Gersen
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HampsterStyle: When one considers this and the fact that this one is absent GFWL, I can't understand how someone could be o.k. with FO3's protection but not FNV's.
Are you Serious? I can install F3 as much and as many times as i want... it requires nothing more then a loader program that can set all launcher settings and 100% bypasses GFWL....

i never have to worry about authorizing it again, i can play it whenever however i want.... with FNV unless a fixed EXE is made there is no way to backup the game so I have a copy i can play when ever however i want. If i can get 100% confirmation that the game can be made to run without the need for steam running i will go out the next day and buy the collectors edition instead of waiting for the coming GOTY next year for the ps3. I haven't bought a PC game at launch since Fallout 3... i own 3 copies of it now, PC Collectors, PC GOTY and Ps3 GOTY

The simple point is Fallout3 ran without the internet and CD at launch. New Vegas forces you to have the internet and now they lied and didn't provide the bypass EXE outside of the launcher.
Post edited October 20, 2010 by Starkrun
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Adokat: If New Vegas had been on GFWL again, I probably wouldn't have gotten it for the PC. Steam is such a better alternative.
Why? You could completely ignore GFWL in Fallout 3 and even the DLC was DRM-free. I don't get the hate.
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StingingVelvet: Why? You could completely ignore GFWL in Fallout 3 and even the DLC was DRM-free. I don't get the hate.
Especially as Fallout 3 is a solo-only game so it's not like you will ever need a GFWL online account for it.
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StingingVelvet: Why? You could completely ignore GFWL in Fallout 3 and even the DLC was DRM-free. I don't get the hate.
Agreed. It didn't even have an online portion, which would have opened it up to (very valid) complaints from people in certain countries. I always found GFWL to be fairly unobtrusive.
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Gersen: Especially as Fallout 3 is a solo-only game so it's not like you will ever need a GFWL online account for it.
Woah, ninja'd.
Post edited October 20, 2010 by PoSSeSSeDCoW
I wonder if this means GOG will never get New Vegas. =/
Hopefully agreements expire or something and they're allowed to crack it or Beth removes Steam or whatever.
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chautemoc: I wonder if this means GOG will never get New Vegas. =/
Hopefully agreements expire or something and they're allowed to crack it or Beth removes Steam or whatever.
Same argument applies to Fallout 3. That said, rumours suggest that NVMM may be able to get round Steamworks, although I doubt it.
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Starkrun: ......
Are you Serious? I can install F3 as much and as many times as i want... it requires nothing more then a loader program that can set all launcher settings and 100% bypasses GFWL....
Yes. I am serious. I can install FNV as much and as many times as I want as well.... It requires nothing more than a one time activation over internet at install - internet isn't required to play.
Although GFWL was only used for achievements in vanilla FO3, I think you may be forgetting about the original distribution of DLCs over GFWL - and how this will be much better with steam.

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Starkrun: i never have to worry about authorizing it again, i can play it whenever however i want.... with FNV unless a fixed EXE is made there is no way to backup the game so I have a copy i can play when ever however i want.
I honestly don't think you fully understand your options. You can back-up your game all day to DVD, hard disk, flash drive, etc. Again the only difference here is one time online activation at install - internet not needed to play.

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Starkrun: If i can get 100% confirmation that the game can be made to run without the need for steam running i will go out the next day and buy the collectors edition instead of waiting for the coming GOTY next year for the ps3. I haven't bought a PC game at launch since Fallout 3... i own 3 copies of it now, PC Collectors, PC GOTY and Ps3 GOTY
Although steam is required to run the game it is not required to be connected online to play it ever - only at install. Under your same logic, you should have boycotted FO3 as well due to GFWL. It was required to run with FO3 as it was integrated without the option to remove or not install it but wasn't required to be connected to run the game - just like steam. Again the only difference here is the one time online activation at install.

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Starkrun: The simple point is Fallout3 ran without the internet and CD at launch. New Vegas forces you to have the internet and now they lied and didn't provide the bypass EXE outside of the launcher.
I agree that it sucks this isn't the case with FNV, but I'll trade this for getting DLCs over steam and once it fixed - the steam cloud storage feature any day.
Again, to put it in perspective, the only difference is a one time online activation at install - no other restrictions.
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DelusionsBeta: Same argument applies to Fallout 3. That said, rumours suggest that NVMM may be able to get round Steamworks, although I doubt it.
Yeah, but I wouldn't mind that as much. ;) It would apply to tons of new games actually, so I'm interested to see if and how GOG will get around that.

What is NVMM?
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HampsterStyle: Yes. I am serious. I can install FNV as much and as many times as I want as well.... It requires nothing more than a one time activation over internet at install - internet isn't required to play.
It requires Internet doesnt it? Steam's offline mode is a joke and works only sporadically.
Post edited October 20, 2010 by chautemoc