So, what's the skinny here? Who are the good guys? What is the better game?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvwlt4FqmS0&list=UUI3GAJaOTL1BoipG41OmfyA

The video should explain everything there is to know about the differences between FO3 and F:NV and why some prefer the former and some the latter.

I like them both, but lean more towards New Vegas. It feels more like Fallout 1&2, though the Vegas strip is a bit disappointing. I've always felt they didn't either have enough time or money to develope it further. Had they done something like New Reno with it, it would have been perfect. Also the DLC packs for New Vegas are way better than DLC for Fallout 3.

I am prone to agree with you on that. I much preferred New Vegas because of a lot of what it brought to the table, and having a similar feel to the early Fallout games. I also liked some of the optional survival settings you could use to further the experience in the game. I also liked the landscape (for the most part) much more. That being said, I did quite enjoy some of the specialty weapons available in FO3. :)

I still do not understand why people did not like Fallout 3 after playing Fallout 1 and 2.


I understand the main story reason, but I don't get why no one liked the Capital Wasteland?

Is California that better than Washington?

I didn't mind FO3's setting so much, as things like the end game "solution" (pre-DLC) bothered me a bit. I found
with New Vegas, they just sort of improved many of the foibles and flaws present in FO3. Not to say either game
is perfect, I can see reason for liking one over the other. I just happen to prefer New Vegas over FO3 on personal
taste, more or less. :)

Depends. I like both games honestly, some might not.

Fallout 3 has a reputation of being the same as recent (at the time) release, TES4: Oblivion, both games being developed under Bethesda Studios, with a change of scenery and guns added. But it really conveys wonderfully the feel of a destroyed wasteland of a world, a city that meant so much in the entire world being demolished to little more than rubble and nuclear waste (In this case of course, Washington DC and the surrounding couple square miles, I think 10?). It's an honest replication of the feeling of the game's story world, though it's worth keeping in mind this is a place that was hit far harder than California, where all the other titles thus far have taken place. Unexploded nukes still rest in the landscape, slavery and mutant attacks are natural and common, while the remaining standing armed forces vie for any sort of control possible in a world that has little more than free-standing settlements. And as a site of history, you'll find many interesting places in the world from old-time guns to a historical museum of flight. The game however is easier than Fallout 1,2, or New Vegas, and part of that is the change into full 3D instead of Isometric Perspective, and with that came free-aiming instead of having to use the VATS targeting system. A person who's put even a few points into any sort of gun can find themselves an expert shot with a little practice, where I myself could manage to take out most human characters at RIFLE distance using the classic shotgun (I'm not sure shotguns ever used bullet wheels, but it's an interesting touch), and using the basic Hunting Rifle was enough to kill Super Mutants at a couple shots without being hit. The sneak-attack bonuses make this even more incredible, and when you combine Headshot, Sneak-Attack, and with that much damage, Cripple Damage Stagger, it becomes almost methodical to beat most enemies out in the open. In short distance, I boosted my sneak skill, stayed in the shadows, and could take out any and all mutants in about two shots to the head with VATS, since it is a bit hard to fire at a surprised target that close. The only people in game I had trouble with were actually the robots, who had little targets, rockets on regular occasion, and were difficult to cripple in any one area (Targeting, Inhibition Chip, Weapon, Mobility), but I had enough grenades and carried so many mines that I could get around with weakening them and finishing them off with a rail-gun (Has to be made). Finally, even though it is a wasteland, a character with time and effort can find themselves able to buy the moon if they wanted to. It's not a hard game so long as you put decent focus into any one type of gun, my favorite being rifles (Small Arms), and so much money can collected that you can repair armor and gun infinite without worry, even if you only gather money by killing the various mutants and collecting their hunting rifles, assault rifles and shotguns to sell, ignoring powerful money making missions like book collecting for the Brotherhood of Steel or ravaging buildings for pre-war money, cigarettes, and selling all the bullets and ammo you don't plan on using since again, with enough practice and experience (And no ammo weight) you only need 2 guns, in my case a hunting rifle (Or Lincoln Rifle, or Railgun, depending on ammo) and a shotgun, with ion weapons for back-up.

Fallout New Vegas, developed by Obsidian Studios, is considered a bit more the successor to Fallout 1 and 2, taking place along the Rio Grande River around the states of California, Nevada (In Particular, the remains of Los Vegas), and Arizona. The game is harder, with the game's toughest enemies all spawned on the map from the start, of particular annoyance are the new flies, made to be fast, pack roaming, and poisonous. One such pathway is immediately next to the starting town of the game and WILL mean death, and that's without getting into another mission that is VERY close, a quarry full of the game's titular beasts, Deathclaws, with one more roaming along rocky outskirts, and very close to THAT is Black Mountain, an area full of Super Mutants, and an open area hiding nearby that will ambush you with radscorpions and bark scorpions. If you go in a different direction, a camp full of bandits with guns, who will shoot you, a lot. Go a different direction, ambushes by people with guns, and depending how you react to the world, more ambushes by the game's two armed military (Based on how you treat them). Someone raised on easier games will get frustrated with how easy it is to get killed, and your character is less superhuman this time. You level up to 30 in the base game as opposed to 20 in Fallout 3, but you only get half as many traits to apply, so while you'll gain much more across the various stats you ultimately are given less advantages, especially when you come across many smaller, more heavily armored or much quicker, targets, deathclaws being the worse. But it's fun, and it's again a huge world to explore. The nuclear attack is almost non-existent in this world, with the story explained through the main game what happened during the time of the attack, but the game is no less relentless for it. If that's not hard enough, you can open up a secondary mode to the game which requires the character to eat, drink and sleep to survive, along with medical stim-packs healing on a timer instead of instantly, and damaged limbs requiring a doctor's kit or an actual doctor to fix instead of doing so with your stim-pack. Even though you can max out your weapon skills, and then take that same weapon and augment it to aim better, shoot faster or hold more bullets or any other variations, the many enemies will still cause problems and difficulties through the whole game, minus any non-militarized human. There's also some creativity to the missions, which go from gambling to killing to restoring a World War 2 Bomber to attacking a bottle camp factory to protecting the president of the United States/NCR Army (or killing). Another thing to keep in mind however is that this is a very buggy game in it's raw form, crashes plenty and creatures falling easily through the ground in many many instances, and NPC's sometimes turning violent with no provocation (This happened with me while working for the NCR, and resulted in difficulty finishing the storyline as an NCR Loyal as planned). But it's still a good game, and if you're playing the PC version I'd look into some stability mods and the DLC, which expands your character's storyline from Non-Existent to "Holy crap, who exactly AM I?", as the base game has you as a simple nobody affected by circumstance.

On the whole, both games are worth playing. Which one a person likes more will fall to choice, in my case it's Fallout 3 with a very slight edge. The depression destroyed world and the intrigue to learning what all happened in the world itself, rumors of doomsday and learning what happened on the fateful day by surviving ghouls is an amazing thing to do, and the game itself is easier to play and enjoy without the fear of constant crashes, glitches, breaks, and it gives you a long and complex story with many many places to visit and see from the underground city of outcasts, the shore-struck battleship turned city, the presence of the Brotherhood of Steel in the background, a potential alien abduction, and a war between a crazy lady who commands ants and a crazy tinkerer who commands robots, who make a small town their battleground in attempt for supremacy over the other. It's simply a very diverse and silly world, which is fun to mess around with an explore. This isn't meant to denote Fallout: New Vegas in any way, but while there's still the absurd and silly in the world it's still a more serious title for those wanting a rough and tough experience, to give you the idea of living in a war torn desert amids the ruins and chaos of a long gone nuclear bombardment.

I think it's because it's not a real Fallout game. And people were upset by that fact.

As for CA versus WA, it's clearly WA. I mean hell, it seems like most of the people up here lately are from CA. I don't hear about a lot of folks moving the other ways that aren't directly involved with the film industry. And even then, we have a pretty decent film industry of our own up here. Pretty much, they're both great games, but definitely play FO3 first then New Vegas. The OP isn't as likely to notice the really big problems with the FO3 universe if he hasn't first played NV.

I think both are not good games by any stretch, to me both feel clunky, awkward and weird. NV has slightly better gameplay but both are a mess from basic gunplay to the AI. Nothing seems to really work the way it's supposed to .

I can tolerate NV a lot more because of the great writing, but how anyone can say that FO3 is a great game... I dunno i simply can't understand it, it's a bad FPS and a bad RPG the writing's a mess and none of it makes sense, There is a lot fo potential in it but it has all been wasted to make something completely below average.

Fallout 3 has better level design and world design.

Fallout: New Vegas has better everything else.

I like both.

Oh look, I'm not the only one. I played through and disliked both games, but there was such an enormous pile of bugs at the end of New Vegas that I have to declare FO3 the less shitty one. And yes, that was the fully patched version of New Vegas. I'm a fan of Obsidian's, but the bug flood was absolutely unacceptable.

Fallout 3 is dumb but never dull.

New Vegas is very very smart and often dull.

Well, whichever is better, I only got NV during the sale. But I reckon that before I'll even get to play the first Fallout, I'll have bought the third one during the next sale :D

I prefer the Wasteland of FO3 and it has Liam Neeson
But NV is better in gameplay and no GFWL but is (in my experience) a lot buggier