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Posted February 13, 2014
I wanna be a Xippie.
Posted February 13, 2014
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Licurg: http://business.time.com/2014/01/21/facebook-is-about-to-lose-80-of-its-users-study-says/
that sounds like a wildly inaccurate study... they base it on the observations of biological diseases and think they can somehow use that to nail down a % and a time frame.
Posted February 13, 2014
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stoicsentry: No, **** that. I am not "cis gender," I refuse to call myself that and I do not give you any moral authority to call me that anymore than you have the moral authority to call someone a "tranny" when they do not want to be referred to in that way.
:-/

AND DO NOT CALL ME A MAMMAL !!!!!
Posted February 13, 2014
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stoicsentry: Oh, I see. Back to this marxist shit.
Er...what? What does any of this have to do with Marxism?

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stoicsentry: Bottom line is that both social justice warriors (TM) and the people you are fighting refuse to treat people respectfully in that way.
There's nothing disrespectful about the word "cisgender". If you were complaining that the term inaccurately described what you are then yes, that would be disrespectful. But, as far as I can tell, that's not what you're doing; you're complaining about a term like this being used of you at all. And that's not on.


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stoicsentry: There is at least a 3rd group (if not more) which you do not allow for, apparently, but it nonetheless exists. It includes people that have nothing to do with your fight.
There is nothing neutral about your position here.

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stoicsentry: I don't "get" to complain about being labeled something that I don't want to be labeled?
The privileged group doesn't get to decide that the oppressed group gets labelled and they don't.

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stoicsentry: Who the hell do social justice warriors (TM) think they are to complain about privilege whilst simultaneously taking upon themselves the enormous privilege of defining words for everyone else, of defining the conflict the way they want and having the audacity to think the rest of us should unquestioningly do as they say? Do you not see how that's an enormous privilege?
You seem to misunderstand what "privileged" means.

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stoicsentry: No, **** that. I am not "cis gender," I refuse to call myself that and I do not give you any moral authority to call me that anymore than you have the moral authority to call someone a "tranny" when they do not want to be referred to in that way.
The two are absolutely not equivalent. You might as well liken "heterosexual" to "faggot".
Posted February 13, 2014
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DieRuhe: Ridiculous.

If your body is male or female, then that's what you technically are, no matter how you may see yourself. If you get it changed, then great, you are something else - but I don't care if people were one and are now the other, or halfway there, or consider themselves an alien from deep space or a figment of the universe's imagination. How does this really have any bearing on anything outside their circle of friends anyway? Preaching to the choir, and that's pretty much how "TransWoman" summed it up anyway.
So what? Isn't Facebook all about your circle of friends and how you see yourself anyway? This is just as ridiculous or cool as anything else you can put on Facebook. You don't care how people see themselves, and they certainly don't care about your opinion of it. *shrugs*
Posted February 13, 2014
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Darvond: It means I don't give a flying flip about gender identity and roles.
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ydobemos: Then why do you want to restrict how people express theirs?
Because there is no reason to express gender. The entire culture is a collective WOMBAT.
Posted February 13, 2014
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ydobemos: That simply isn't true. Chromosomes are not an absolute determinant even of physical sex characteristics, never mind gender. There are intersex people. There are also cisgender men with XX and cis women with XY.
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infinite9: Things like "cisgender male" are completely made up bullcrap.
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ydobemos: All words are ultimately "made up", and cisgender is no more "bullcrap" than heterosexual is.
Yes all words are made up but what they refer too can be a real thing such as 'heterosexual' or made up bullcrap such as 'cisgender'

And anyone with any other confusion over what sexes exist and what do not, all they have do do is check the manual, IE, DNA! ..... should one day scientists manage to find some capacity for other sexes in our DNA, only then will i believe it, otherwise i do not think the existence of other sexes should be rammed down the throat of society, it should only be a personal matter for the individual.

Edit: on the other hand, if this gender issue forces society to do away with male and female toilets, i would be all for that!
Because secretly, most men do not actually want to see other men urinating, it's pretty disgusting, and will probably be one of those things that distant future generations will look back on and be shocked at how primitive and disgusting we were.
Post edited February 13, 2014 by mystikmind2000
Posted February 13, 2014
FWIW i think its really silly. Male, Female, Other, NonHuman life form. How hard can it be ? :D
Posted February 13, 2014
I for one am glad that I can put down that I'm a non-cis pansexual lobster otherkin transfat who primarily identifies as threemale.
Posted February 14, 2014
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DieRuhe: Ridiculous.

If your body is male or female, then that's what you technically are, no matter how you may see yourself. If you get it changed, then great, you are something else - but I don't care if people were one and are now the other, or halfway there, or consider themselves an alien from deep space or a figment of the universe's imagination. How does this really have any bearing on anything outside their circle of friends anyway? Preaching to the choir, and that's pretty much how "TransWoman" summed it up anyway.
You are correct that sex is genetically determined, however gender is a social construct, like race. Certain cultures have more than the binary male/female gender dichotomy that the West has.
Post edited February 14, 2014 by nresteiner
Posted February 14, 2014
Really, I would more be concerned to which parties Facebook hands your data to. But hopefully your sexual identification is right, at least! :-p

As such, I think "gender" is misused here by OP - though German has three and Finnish has none - and much more of a real life concern should be how persons of minority identification find employment without being marginalized.
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nresteiner: You are correct that sex is genetically determined, however gender is a social construct, like race. Certain cultures have more than the binary male/female gender dichotomy that the West has.
Which cultures, pray?
Post edited February 14, 2014 by TStael
Posted February 14, 2014
Good riddance when Facebook dies. I hope it doesn't get replaced by something worse though.
Post edited February 14, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted February 14, 2014
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mystikmind2000: Yes all words are made up but what they refer too can be a real thing such as 'heterosexual' or made up bullcrap such as 'cisgender'
Please explain why the one is "real" and the other "made up".

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mystikmind2000: And anyone with any other confusion over what sexes exist and what do not, all they have do do is check the manual, IE, DNA!
Like I said earlier, it's not that simple. There are men with XX chromosomes, women with XY and people with other combinations altogether.
Posted February 14, 2014
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ydobemos: Like I said earlier, it's not that simple. There are men with XX chromosomes, women with XY and people with other combinations altogether.
And shall the fact we even debate about it not mean that it is rather difficult just to "get on with it* and to work and build a life for anyone who is not a classic hetero, or even a classic gay?

I work in a white collar environment, and have to state:

- once during my student job era I saw an individual in the common canteen that was in a process of gender change, and while I did not disapprove of it, I recall thinking that I have never seen this before - but also, have not seen this after either!

How many of you have come across a trans-gender colleague in normal work life, I wonder?

- I only once, in recent year or so, came across a colleague that was openly gay - not that he confided this in me, because it was none of my business - but over a decade, statistically this cannot be the only case

How many gay colleagues (male /female) have you had, and could your CEO be openly so?
Posted February 14, 2014
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Darvond: I know this is entirely rude (and probably 'incorrect'), but if I were running a company, I'd restrict it to biological choices.
From your wording, I take that you do not - but I also hope you are not even an HR manager, either.

On pure statistical chances, all of us should wish to be white males, mainly, really. But thankfully we are not.
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