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Posted February 14, 2009
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soulgrindr: I DO hate those adds on DVDs though. I remember that before EVERY episode of 24 (season 5?) it played one of those at HIGH volume... It kept scaring the crap out of me every time i started to watch it late at night.
(i don't see how they compare to steam though...)

They compare to steam because they're always there, before you experience the product you paid for, you have to watch/fast-forward the anti-piracy advert. Steam is similar, because it is a requirement that it is checked before you are allowed to play the game you have paid for.
They both discriminate against legal purchasers, while having zero effect on illegal versions.
They may be minor inconveniences in real terms, but they need not be there.
Posted February 14, 2009
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Nafe: The new Prince of Persia on PC was the way to do it if you ask me. The game wasn't bad, but overall I'm left with an overwhelming sense of awesomeness due to the way the product was released. Buy game. Insert disc. Install. Take out disc. Play. End of.
It was top stuff, no faffing with activations, no cd key, nothing. Buy, install, play. Sure the pirates did Download, install, play but that's what they do on every other securom infested piece of crap. Why make paying customers suffer? Any other games that come out like this that I'm even vaguely interested in, I'm buying. Take note developers!

No, the game was HORRIBLE! Cel-shaded graphics should stay with the Japanese, because it fits there. PoP doesn't work with it. And the fact that you can't die makes the game easier than finding a hooker in Vegas at night. I'll be willing to bet that the game only had DRM because the game was so bad, nobody was going to bother torrenting it.
Posted February 14, 2009
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michaelleung: No, the game was HORRIBLE! Cel-shaded graphics should stay with the Japanese,
Team Fortress 2.
Posted February 14, 2009
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michaelleung: No, the game was HORRIBLE! Cel-shaded graphics should stay with the Japanese, because it fits there. PoP doesn't work with it. And the fact that you can't die makes the game easier than finding a hooker in Vegas at night. I'll be willing to bet that the game only had DRM because the game was so bad, nobody was going to bother torrenting it.

Well that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Irrespective of that, my point was about the way the game was released, not the game itself. Like I said, I found the game mediocre but being able to install and play without any fuss was fantastic and other developers should follow their lead. Infact, I hope Ubisoft follow their own lead and stick with that way of releasing games. I doubt this will be the case though :\.
Posted February 14, 2009
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michaelleung: No, the game was HORRIBLE! Cel-shaded graphics should stay with the Japanese,
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Weclock: Team Fortress 2.

Nope, you're wrong. It used phong shading.
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michaelleung: No, the game was HORRIBLE! Cel-shaded graphics should stay with the Japanese, because it fits there. PoP doesn't work with it. And the fact that you can't die makes the game easier than finding a hooker in Vegas at night. I'll be willing to bet that the game only had DRM because the game was so bad, nobody was going to bother torrenting it.
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Nafe: Like I said, I found the game mediocre

You didn't say you found the game mediocre.
Post edited February 14, 2009 by michaelleung
Posted February 14, 2009
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Weclock: Team Fortress 2.
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michaelleung: Nope, you're wrong. It used phong shading.
XD
it used both, silly billy.
Posted February 14, 2009
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michaelleung: You didn't say you found the game mediocre.

I said it "wasn't bad" - but why the semantics?
Posted February 14, 2009
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Nafe: The new Prince of Persia on PC was the way to do it if you ask me. The game wasn't bad, but overall I'm left with an overwhelming sense of awesomeness due to the way the product was released. Buy game. Insert disc. Install. Take out disc. Play. End of.
It was top stuff, no faffing with activations, no cd key, nothing. Buy, install, play. Sure the pirates did Download, install, play but that's what they do on every other securom infested piece of crap. Why make paying customers suffer? Any other games that come out like this that I'm even vaguely interested in, I'm buying. Take note developers!
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michaelleung: No, the game was HORRIBLE! Cel-shaded graphics should stay with the Japanese, because it fits there. PoP doesn't work with it. And the fact that you can't die makes the game easier than finding a hooker in Vegas at night. I'll be willing to bet that the game only had DRM because the game was so bad, nobody was going to bother torrenting it.

The game didn't have DRM. That's what he was saying; more companies should have no DRM or disc check in their games.
Posted February 14, 2009
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Urb4nZ0mb13: Everyone that hates Steam needs to get a grip, its the most advanced digital distribution platform and doesn't hinder the way you play games in any way except the DRM enforced on a game by it's makers. You don't even need the damn internet to play games, just to install them.

Need to 'get a grip'? Why, because they don't agree that Steam is awesome? I hate Steam. The only reason I have it on my machine is because I refused to buy Mass Effect PC due to its asinine DRM scheme. When it came out on Steam I said "Okay, I'll give this a shot. Everyone says how awesome Steam is, so I'll try it out". I hate it. DRM issues with it aside, here are some reasons:
-The game is slow as hell to load.
-I cannot load my game onto my OFFLINE computer and play it. This is something I do with almost every game I own. That rig is in a room that has no internet connection and I often load games onto that one and play through them exploring different game paths. Steam won't allow me to do that.
-Steam offers me, personally, nothing extra that I want. I don't use their on-line services and I don't play multiplayer. I've no use for chat systems when I play. Sometimes I don't want to update my game right away.
- Sure, you can DL your games any time you want. Of course, with a disc you can install them any time you want and you don't have to wait the 2, 3 or more hours that DLing a huge multi-GB file takes to be able to play.
- speaking of multi-GB files, many people have DL caps. If you want to reinstall a few of your games, you're running the risk of capping your monthly DL limit in short order.
- I don't like being forced to run a secondary app just so I can fire up my game. At least Impulse, even though it's also a DRM scheme in the vein of Steam, will allow me to play my games without having to fire up the Impulse client to do so.
So, get a grip? No thanks. I hate Steam and see no reason why I should change my mind. If it's a wonderful service for you and everyone else, that's great. But it's not so damned wonderful for me. So I won't be buying any more games through Steam, nor will I buy a retail game that requires it.
Posted February 14, 2009
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acare84: I don't care about Steam activation but I won't buy this game with price of $49.99. Maybe I will buy it for $19.99 later.

I probably won't buy it for over $9.99. Not after the appalingly horrible demo.
Posted February 14, 2009
steams pretty good service thou it may be drm in that you have to have active to run you games i'd rarther have steam than securom anyday of the week
Posted February 14, 2009
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Urb4nZ0mb13: Everyone that hates Steam needs to get a grip, its the most advanced digital distribution platform and doesn't hinder the way you play games in any way except the DRM enforced on a game by it's makers. You don't even need the damn internet to play games, just to install them.
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Coelocanth: Need to 'get a grip'? Why, because they don't agree that Steam is awesome? I hate Steam. The only reason I have it on my machine is because I refused to buy Mass Effect PC due to its asinine DRM scheme. When it came out on Steam I said "Okay, I'll give this a shot. Everyone says how awesome Steam is, so I'll try it out". I hate it. DRM issues with it aside, here are some reasons:
-The game is slow as hell to load.
-I cannot load my game onto my OFFLINE computer and play it. This is something I do with almost every game I own. That rig is in a room that has no internet connection and I often load games onto that one and play through them exploring different game paths. Steam won't allow me to do that.
-Steam offers me, personally, nothing extra that I want. I don't use their on-line services and I don't play multiplayer. I've no use for chat systems when I play. Sometimes I don't want to update my game right away.
- Sure, you can DL your games any time you want. Of course, with a disc you can install them any time you want and you don't have to wait the 2, 3 or more hours that DLing a huge multi-GB file takes to be able to play.
- speaking of multi-GB files, many people have DL caps. If you want to reinstall a few of your games, you're running the risk of capping your monthly DL limit in short order.
- I don't like being forced to run a secondary app just so I can fire up my game. At least Impulse, even though it's also a DRM scheme in the vein of Steam, will allow me to play my games without having to fire up the Impulse client to do so.
So, get a grip? No thanks. I hate Steam and see no reason why I should change my mind. If it's a wonderful service for you and everyone else, that's great. But it's not so damned wonderful for me. So I won't be buying any more games through Steam, nor will I buy a retail game that requires it.

This for the win. I don't play multiplayer. I don't chat. I don't hav multple computers to install the games on. I don't have Uber-Broadband (NZ is sort of crap with that). I have a monthly data cap. Basically Steam offers me nothing that I'm interested in. It is a shame about DoW2 and Empire:TW as I was much more interested in those than Fear 2 but oh well... Others games will come along.
Karl
Posted February 14, 2009
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soulgrindr: I think you should re-evaluate your views. It seems like you made up your mind ages ago, and are refusing to give steam a chance.
Its an awesome service, and valve definitely goes out of their way to make it worthwhile for players to use it. they are continually updating it. Its INCREDIBLY convenient to be able to instantly download any of your games to any pc to play. Its really convenient to have them automatically patched to the latest version and with continual free DLC. (though you can turn this off if you want).
I never play multiplayer, and i don't take part in the community, but i still find it a really useful service.
I dont have the fastest PC, but i don't find steam remotely troublesome. It only starts when i play a steam game. It runs quietly in the background. It logs in automatically. I can still play games WITHOUT an internet connection. It closes when i quit.
PS/ You're the only person i've heard from who didn't like the SHOGO unit they added to FEAR2... everyone else has been waiting for a new SHOGO for years... ;-)
*wants SHOGO2*

No I actually had my views changed by steam itself. I was quite positive about it as a possible digital distribution platform and thought it was a great idea with heaps of potentially interesting features but then I saw the 2 negatives of it (from my perspective)
Firstly was the lack of respect. Not something you normally hear of from valve but a mate of mine couldn't get broadband and bought halflife 2 a few months afterits release. On a 4 hour connection limit and 56K speed, it took him 3 entire days before he could play the software he bought in the shop because of the then compulsory update (Not sure if it's changed since then but at the time there was no option to simply play the retail version), that to me is extremely bad design and whilst 56K isn't too common anymore, not giving the option to skip the update was a giant 'fuck you' to any user cursed with shitty internet.
Second was the wealth of options offered to steam users, every single one of which I would never use. As with others, I never multiplay on PC, the only time I multiplay at all is on xbox live and thats only because there's a few good coop games I play with mates. I always patch manually and I often avoid patches if they're only offering multiplayer fixes because they'd do nothing for me. The fact that I'd not use any of them makes the application itself a needless thing for me because once you strip that away, all it is is a shortcut to running the game and I already have a start menu.
I'll doubtless buy empire total war & dawn of war 2 when I have a computer capable of running them but as I said, I'm going to look for a way to circumvent steam. That said, my game computer is going to be a dedicated single task machine so I probably won't care about crap running in the background
As far as the mech is concerned, I'd have loved it if it was in shogo 2. In a game thats basically a claustrophobic horror shooter where you're supposed to be constantly on guard because a small mistake could let the enemy get the drop on you, riding around in a mech is sort of like standing in the middle of the street, firing an M60 wildly into the air shouting "HERE I AM! HERE I AM! PAY ATTENTION TO ME! ALSO I'M THE NEXT BEST THING TO INVINCIBLE AND HAVE UNLIMITED AMMUNITION! WOOOOOOOOO!". Ever so slightly breaking the mood
Post edited February 14, 2009 by Aliasalpha
Posted February 14, 2009
While I agree about the mech, the thing that broke the mood the most for me was the forced 16:9 aspect ratio. Hooray for console ports.
Posted February 14, 2009
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Aliasalpha: No I actually had my views changed by steam itself. I was quite positive about it as a possible digital distribution platform and thought it was a great idea with heaps of potentially interesting features but then I saw the 2 negatives of it (from my perspective)
Firstly was the lack of respect. Not something you normally hear of from valve but a mate of mine couldn't get broadband and bought halflife 2 a few months afterits release. On a 4 hour connection limit and 56K speed, it took him 3 entire days before he could play the software he bought in the shop because of the then compulsory update (Not sure if it's changed since then but at the time there was no option to simply play the retail version), that to me is extremely bad design and whilst 56K isn't too common anymore, not giving the option to skip the update was a giant 'fuck you' to any user cursed with shitty internet.
Second was the wealth of options offered to steam users, every single one of which I would never use. As with others, I never multiplay on PC, the only time I multiplay at all is on xbox live and thats only because there's a few good coop games I play with mates. I always patch manually and I often avoid patches if they're only offering multiplayer fixes because they'd do nothing for me. The fact that I'd not use any of them makes the application itself a needless thing for me because once you strip that away, all it is is a shortcut to running the game and I already have a start menu.

Steam started off as a US based release, where download quota and free content servers were in a MUCH larger abundance than over here in Aus. We do have several ISPs that offer free content servers (Telstra has GameArena and iiNet have the 3FL servers (which are next to empty anyway)). You must understand that Steam was only in it's infancy when HL2 came out, it was subjected to a LOT of negative feedback which they have since tried to address. At the same time, they're trying to push people into the latest technologies. It would be better for more than just home users, but businesses if more people were using broadband and as the business type model (read: proprietary) goes, they can dictate what people use. (See Windows.)
I sound like a Steam spokesperson! Haha, trust me, Steam still has a long way to go - perhaps they might open a branch of DRM free games? Perhaps they might take a leaf from GOG's book and try to make their games more Vista friendly. Just send 'em plenty of complaints, I've found the Steam customer service to be VERY receptive and helpful.
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