In the business world is there a form of discrimination to not promote someone who makes more than the shift managers? Cause I have been working at a job for 11 1/2 years and they keep not promoting me and I've heard that the newly promoted managers make less than me, So I thought maybe that was a reason.

Not to my knowledge, but I'm only a paralegal who deals primarily with criminal issues - not a lawyer who deals with business/employment issues.

Maybe they're not promoting you because they think you'll turn it down, since it pays less ?

These laws are really based on the country/state that you work in. Having said that I don't think that promotions are ever a protected thing. If you applied for a higher job and someone else was picked for some* reasons, that is different.

* Reasons depend on your local IR laws.

I know nothing about business, but clever titling you have there, I just had to check out a thread called "extreme off-topic". Everything's better when you do it extreme.

Same here.

Most promotions have a pay raise attached. Having people promoted and making less than you do already probably means they don't want to pay you more. Besides, most people don't care about the title, only the money.

If you care about the title, ask for a promotion that doesn't include a payraise. Even though the economy is slowly getting better most companies are still very wary of any increase in overhead or operational costs, even if it means losing top talent.

This is what happens when share value means more than actual value. I blame the 'exit-strategy'.

I'd love to help out here but I'm self employed and I stopped trying to get a promotion years ago; my boss is a real dick.

Maybe you are too good at your job? If you get promoted your replacement may not be as good.

I remember a mate in the merchant marine years ago said.."I scrubbed the deck all the way from England to Australia and I did such a good job, the captain let me do it all the way back"...

I'm not sure what the issue is, we switched franchisees this year and so far two times they haven't promoted me the first time they told me that I lacked "professional maturity" and I was "aloof", the second time no real reason, but they claim my work performance has improved even though i have worked the same way all these years. Just frustrating cause it feels like whomever told me that hard work and perseverance payed off lied to me.

Yeah, we got our "change" all right... companies trying everything they can think of to avoid the insurance thing. Way to go, Prez.

But anyway... a promotion would be a smaller pay rate, but would it actually be cheaper than having you at a higher rate and having fewer hours? More hours, less pay, or fewer hours, more pay? How does it balance out? I think trying for a promotion and being willing to stay at your rate is good. But I don't know, then you might run into "Well, none of the others make that much..."

My gf is in the same position, so I get what you're going through. Its unfortunate that companies feel the need to go the unethical route and screw over their employees just to avoid paying benefits. Sends the message that you are disposable; to be used and discarded since you have no inherent value as a human.

Unfortunately, I have nothing to say that you haven't already heard: make yourself indispensable, prove your value by accepting more responsibility, etc.

I wish I could help.

That is what I have been doing through the help of my GM she really wants me to succeed therefore she is giving me more shifts that prove just what i can do, my previous GM kept me in one position telling me that i was paid to much to do anything else.

Unforutnately this position assumes the business is out to help you - they are not. The business will (almost) always to what is in the interest of the business. To get recognised you have to make noise. This means applying for other jobs and make it known you are doing so. If you still not to traction, leave. Sad that this is how things have to be, but in my experience this is how the business world works. After threatening to leave one place multiple times after I eventually did they offered to hire me back for nearly double what they were paying me - I would have stayed for 20% more.