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amok: (Paradox no longer owns GG, or only did so up to 2009, I think. It is its own company and have no official relations with Paradox (like gOg is a sister company of CD red). Unofficial is something else.)
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VoodooEconomist: I don't know about the corporate structure of Paradox and GG, but in case of CDPR/GOG it's actually more complex, since CDPR is the successor of the Optimus S.A. holding, so cdp.pl Sp.z o.o., GOG Ltd amd Porting House Sp. z o.o. are all subsidiaries of CDPR (which is a listed company on the Warsaw Stock Exchange, while GoG.com is a Limited Liability company).
still, there is clear corporate (?) ties between GoG and CD red. Between GG and Paradox there are non - they separated completely from each other in 2008/09. Officially GG have nothing at all to do with Paradox any more.
Resistance is futile...

This works fine for me. I prefer purchasing at Steam anyway and like achievements, connection to friends on Steam, the way it tracks the time I spend playing games individually and in total, automatically applies patches, keeps most of my games organized in one place, has great sale prices and more!
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Gersen: Of course you can, why wouldn't you ? After all you are one of their customers too, if they do something you don't like then you perfectly have the right to tell them so, whenever you are in the huge majority or in a tiny winy the minority is totally irrelevant.
I don't have a problem with stating preferences, I have a problem with saying they're doing something wrong when they are doing exactly what their customers want.
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jamyskis: I did accept it. That's why I don't game on PC anymore. And I'll tell you what - my gaming experience has been a heck of a lot better for it.
And if your dislike of Steam outweighs all the benefits of PC gaming then hey, your call. Like I said above though, just don't act like they're doing anything wrong.

Also PSN has 5 machine activation limit DRM on all their downloadable titles and DLC, their patches require a PSN account and specific servers to be active and the next system will quite possibly use a Steam-like account activation method.
Post edited January 20, 2013 by StingingVelvet
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StingingVelvet: Also PSN has 5 machine activation limit DRM
2 machine since recently. That is, a single PSN account can have only 2 consoles using its content at any time.

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StingingVelvet: their patches require a PSN account
The games find and download patches the moment they smell a web connection, you don't need to log in for that.
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grviper: The games find and download patches the moment they smell a web connection, you don't need to log in for that.
Ah, Xbox doesn't do that so I assumed. Kind of weird though, honestly. Either way needs a specific server.
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keeveek: Crusader Kings 2 was steam only at first too, and then they made steam free version on GamersGate.

Also, Paradox games on steam are DRM Free anyway - you can run them without steam launched.
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Kristian: Games you can run without Steam launched may well have hardware authentication or other such DRM.
Chronicles of Riddick anyone?
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Pheace: Valve didn't change it so you couldn't sue them. They changed it so you couldn't use a class action lawsuit.
You can still sue them all you want.
If you have the money, sure. Most Steam users are in the lower income brackets, a class action lawsuit threat was the only check keeping Valve honest. Or rather, *IS* the only check keeping them honest, as I, and many others chose to abandon our accounts rather than willingly sign away our rights.
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McDon: Technically most PC gamers I know personally just pirate games as it's pretty much the same as digital distribution except free and there's not much drawbacks.
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VoodooEconomist: Are the majority of PC gamers you know in the lowest income bracket and/or in the 18-25 demographic? If so, I'd suggest that it's not actually the DRM that's the reason for that, even if that is the stated reason...
gabe himself agrees with McDon. Most pirates are customers that have fallen through the cracks. Convenience is often the leading reason for piracy, not blatant disregard for the value of the work.
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StingingVelvet: People like Steam. A small minority who do not changes nothing. The sooner you accept it the better your gaming experience will be.
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jamyskis: I did accept it. That's why I don't game on PC anymore. And I'll tell you what - my gaming experience has been a heck of a lot better for it.
Me too. I abandoned PC gaming for the forseeable future when Steam hijacked everyone's accounts, and my Xbox does me just fine. I still have my paradox games if I want something more PC-ish, but asside from strategy games, the console does everything else better. No system requirements, viruses, subscriptions, etc. Plus, for console games, the true effect of supply and demand rules, as you can get games super cheap since physical copies have to "pay rent" in stores and on shelves.
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VoodooEconomist: I don't know about the corporate structure of Paradox and GG, but in case of CDPR/GOG it's actually more complex, since CDPR is the successor of the Optimus S.A. holding, so cdp.pl Sp.z o.o., GOG Ltd amd Porting House Sp. z o.o. are all subsidiaries of CDPR (which is a listed company on the Warsaw Stock Exchange, while GoG.com is a Limited Liability company).
If A gets to tell B and C what to do, then functionally, B owns C and vice versa. This subsidiary relationship BS is just another way to skirt responsibility. NEVER forget that it MOST DEFINITELY was gog.com that shook alleged Witcher Ii pirates down. It was not a laterally related company.
Post edited January 21, 2013 by anjohl
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StingingVelvet: Also PSN has 5 machine activation limit DRM on all their downloadable titles and DLC, their patches require a PSN account and specific servers to be active and the next system will quite possibly use a Steam-like account activation method.
Hence why I don't buy games on PSN. And if the next system uses a Steam-like account activation method, I won't buy it. That's all there is to it. My PS3 still works fine, and it will work fine even when Sony stops allowing connections to the PSN servers for patching. And when my PS3 is dead, I still have my Wii U. And even when that's dead, the world will not end if I stop gaming. I have plenty of other things to do.

It's not like I'm wanting for options here.
Post edited January 21, 2013 by jamyskis
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jamyskis: Hence why I don't buy games on PSN. And if the next system uses a Steam-like account activation method, I won't buy it. That's all there is to it. My PS3 still works fine, and it will work fine even when Sony stops allowing connections to the PSN servers for patching. And when my PS3 is dead, I still have my Wii U. And even when that's dead, the world will not end if I stop gaming. I have plenty of other things to do.
I just hope you know who you're punishing.
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StingingVelvet: I just hope you know who you're punishing.
Who am I supposed to be punishing? Valve? Myself? PC gamers by not being 'faithful to the cause'? The economy?

I doubt it would make much of a difference now if I stopped gaming altogether, as I've been progressively spending less time on it over the past few months anyway. My gaming is basically limited to an hour or so of Minecraft a week on my laptop and the occasional round on the PS3 or Wii, usually Sundays. I'm out most evenings, and the time that used to be spent gaming in the evenings is either now spent on watching a film with my girlfriend, archery or filmmaking.

You can thank the massive decline in ethics in the industry for that, not that it was ever a particularly honest sector. I've felt uneasy for a while now about pursuing a hobby driven by an industry that automatically considers me to be an addict, a thief and a moron.
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jamyskis: Hence why I don't buy games on PSN. And if the next system uses a Steam-like account activation method, I won't buy it. That's all there is to it. My PS3 still works fine, and it will work fine even when Sony stops allowing connections to the PSN servers for patching. And when my PS3 is dead, I still have my Wii U. And even when that's dead, the world will not end if I stop gaming. I have plenty of other things to do.
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StingingVelvet: I just hope you know who you're punishing.
I bet that's what parents of Hitler Youth children thought as well, go with the flow, everybody is doing it, just stop worrying so much.

Of course, non-democratic entities in positions of power have NEVER done more harm than good in the past. Of course Valve is a benevolent entity with our best interests in mind.
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anjohl: I bet that's what parents of Hitler Youth children thought as well, go with the flow, everybody is doing it, just stop worrying so much.
Reminds me of that sketch by Henning Wehn...
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anjohl: I bet that's what parents of Hitler Youth children thought as well, go with the flow, everybody is doing it, just stop worrying so much.
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jamyskis: Reminds me of that sketch by Henning Wehn...
LOL! Love it, so true!
My great-grandfather was murdered by the Nazis. Twice yearly we visit his grave as a family. And we won't forget.

I could just shout "Godwin's Law LOL", but I just want you to be aware how rude and utterly thoughtless it is to compare an unknown person to a Nazi supporter. Especially if the comparison does nothing to improve the discussion, nor does it prove a point.

Please be more mature.