This is a bit off-subject though. We're not discussing what games should be considered erotic material or whatever, we're discussing why Steam would ban a specific game.
Considering neither of the games you cited are on Steam AFAIK, they really don't add anything to the discussion.

that's even worse than banning it for it's content. "Awful" is a pretty objective indicator. They would have to stop selling the painkiller sequels to, since those get bad reviews to and so must be awful ...

You can't really ban anything because of it being "awful" as there is no clear cut indicator of what is awful. It's a subjective matter. Something awful to you may be awesome to other, no?

It's the same old stupid censorship in games that we're used to. Games are still seen as "toys" for kids, even after all these years.

Australia, for example, finally got a M18 rating for games, after so many years with games being refused classification. Ninja Gaiden 3 Sword's Edge is the first 18 rated game in Australia.

Still, i don't think that this case here is that bad. Valve can accept or refuse anything they want, it's their store. What i can't accept is when a game gets banned by the government for some stupid reason.

One of the cases that pissed me off the most was Manhunt 2. I still fail to see why the uncensored version of that game was banned in most countries in EU, while extremely brutal movies like Saw are completely fine. I just can't fucking get it. The violence in Manhunt is far from feeling as real as the one in Saw, yet Saw is fine, Manhunt isn't. I think that the main issue is that games are still seen as products aimed only at kids.

I think GOG should get True Love and Knights of Xentar, btw. Edit: Oh, and the original Lula. I actually liked the porn movie tycoon bit...

While it would be nice for them to sell these more adult games, but at the same time Steam is basically the Wallmart of gaming. I don't mean this in a demeaning way either, what I mean by the "Wallmart of gaming" is that they are the mainstream seller of games at low prices and everybody buys from them.

You aren't going to see a porn section at Wallmart and for Wallmart to sell porn would cause a freaking uproar. And yet, they get away with it to a certain extent by selling unrated movies. Unfortunately, the core of the problem is that games are games. And when people think of playing games, they associate games with children :(

I think a place like amazon or gamestop to sell "unrated" or adult games would be the best bet to get adult games into the mainstream. One amazon has a little more power then Steam since they are not known as being the primary seller of games, so I think they can get away with it more.

Gamestop would also have the advantage of being offline and can manually card people before they can go behind the curtain. There will still be an uproar.

Deviancy means against social norms.

Ha and people don't see its an epidemic now, I know five girls in my lifetime to have been pregnant at a young age.

2 of my Cousins of both side of my family

A girl I know in my childhood school (mabye even more girls of that school if I am not aware)

And (well she is 18-20 age but still too young) a girl I know in my first college.

And my own Mother which was my sister she carried.

So despite this day and age's more restrictiveness in sexuality in media they still had sex too early.

I forgot all about that game, thanks for reminding me.

You seemed to have been talking about bad kinds of deviancy, so I was wondering what the bad part was.

Surely you're not saying that going against social norms is itself what makes the "deviancies" wrong.

I remember playing Strip Poker on my Apple IIe, dying to win so I could see those green and black topless babes.

But I do tend to agree that, what with all the violence and sex in movies (and even on tv now), it seems pretty weird that games are still generally frowned upon when it comes to showing anybody naked. After all this time, too many people probably think that games are still just for kids.

Deviancy doesn't really have morality. What I meant was when the social norm is repression and condemnation for anything sexual then deviance becomes expected and common, which leads to confusion and repercussions from an actual lack of sexual morality due to the expected morality being unattainable.

Something like that anyway.

Lemme explain this as much as I can. I've played the game, so that helps.

First, let's start with what I wrote about the game in the "worst games you've ever played" thread: Second, it shows a lot more than "a nipple." At one point, there was even a screenshot on the homepage that had to be censored (I think it was) due to showing off too much. Given you DO succeed at the game, you're regularly going to be shown full frontal nudity for both sexes. Chances are you WON'T succeed for more than the odd 10 minutes at a time, but it's still got a LOT of nudity.

Third, I agree. It's pretty stupid that they pull games with sex in them for the reason that they "have sex in them," especially when Valve isn't exactly going for a 'family friendly' store, what with regularly advertising M-rated games on their homepage using large banners. Some might even recall that Direct2Drive sold the AO versions of LSL: Magna Cum Laude and Singles (of which I've never played either, so I don't really know how significant that is) or that, at one point, GTA: San Andreas was, indeed, rated AO.

However, here's where the whole "DON'T SELL AO-RATED GAMES ON THE STOREFRONT" thing probably comes from. Most retailers have rules against selling AO-rated games in stores, probably in an effort to keep things family-friendly as you walk through (you can't tell a kid they can't walk past a video game because it's rated M, but you CAN restrict them from accessing it online to a degree). Places like Wal-Mart and Target. It's been that way for a while, and I wouldn't be surprised if it just sort of bled over into Steam's philosophy on things.

Hey now. Don't jeopardize the notion of them finishing the Game of Thrones TV show over it having nudity. :P

i am not asking for censorship, lets be honest sex is part of life and why not explore it in games. Hell knows in this country, we need to relax about it.

*I do have 1 exception - correct me if i am wrong, but a few years ago, there was a game about rape - i cannot understand any justification for that in a game.

I am not surprised by Valve, but instead of censorship perhaps make a mature area ?