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amok: so your conclusions that EA is evilz but gog is not is not based on what they actually do, but whether you like the end product or not?
Who said anything about evil? I do think GOG's occasional marketing gimmicks (they did something charity related I recall) are motivated by money. I believe my original point was that companies have real business-related reasons for giving to charity, as opposed to doing it out of the goodness of their heart, as some people seemed to be implying. And yes I think the concept behind charity is flawed as I mentioned.
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amok: so your conclusions that EA is evilz but gog is not is not based on what they actually do, but whether you like the end product or not?
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Crosmando: Who said anything about evil? I do think GOG's occasional marketing gimmicks (they did something charity related I recall) are motivated by money. I believe my original point was that companies have real business-related reasons for giving to charity, as opposed to doing it out of the goodness of their heart, as some people seemed to be implying. And yes I think the concept behind charity is flawed as I mentioned.
paraphrasing :)

I do not remember you going out against gog at the time stating they only did charity for taxation reasons, though..
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rampancy: That's rich, considering the mental gymnastics you and Roman5 go through to justify your practically religious hatred for EA. Again, as has been pointed out by many others here, no one is defending EA or its business practices. The criticism is around the fact that you've both pretty much come out and said that it's a bad thing for human rights groups, LGTBQ groups and groups supporting cancer research to get support...simply because it's EA.

You've basically let your reverse fanboyism of EA take precedence over issues like cancer research and gender equality. That's pretty twisted.
Roman can speak for himself, I never singled out EA in particular, that's just the topic of this thread, I was simply pointing out that EA's very public charity and supporting "good causes" is of course company PR and has real business-related logic behind it, not simple altruism. It's entirely possible for someone to do a good act for a selfish reason you know, EA themselves aren't a charity they're a publicly-traded corporation and they exist to maximize profit for their shareholders.
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amok: paraphrasing :)

I do not remember you going out against gog at the time stating they only did charity for taxation reasons, though..
I don't remember posting anything about GOG's charity thing, yes, probably cause I didn't care or was busy with something else. It is my view though.
Post edited December 10, 2013 by Crosmando
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Crosmando: Who said anything about evil? I do think GOG's occasional marketing gimmicks (they did something charity related I recall) are motivated by money. I believe my original point was that companies have real business-related reasons for giving to charity, as opposed to doing it out of the goodness of their heart, as some people seemed to be implying. And yes I think the concept behind charity is flawed as I mentioned.
The thing is, noone ever implied it except for kids jumping on EA hatewagon. It's always easier to beat the strawman instead of presenting some actual counter arguments.
Oh look, it's another EA hate thread by Roman5. What a surprise. Who would have guessed?

And a thread like this would never be complete without Crosmando on board.

Let me get the popcorn. Now i just have to wait till Crosmando calls everyone who doesn't agree with him a consoletard.
I would like to thank everyone for their input thus far. This thread is great.
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Neobr10: Oh look, it's another EA hate thread by Roman5. What a surprise. Who would have guessed?

And a thread like this would never be complete without Crosmando on board.

Let me get the popcorn. Now i just have to wait till Crosmando calls everyone who doesn't agree with him a consoletard.
That's why I joined the thread. I want to be entertained, dammit! ^_^
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FraterPerdurabo: I would like to thank everyone for their input thus far. This thread is great.
I would like to thank everyone for their time and attention. Let this be a lesson to all of you.

YES, i necroed that meme. It fits the thread nicely.
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Crosmando: Also, there's a vast amount of charities, and many of it isn't "Cure Cancer" or "Help Children", there's also a tonne of social-engineering "charity" (Bill Gates loves these) which are more about trying to engineer social change rather than just the simple "help sick people" which is what charity at it's heart is.

Oh and I wouldn't be surprised if EA in the future gave charity dollars to political organizations advocating same-sex marriage or homosexual advocacy groups masquerading as "charities".
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Cormoran: How about you do something charitable instead of bitching about others doing it.
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Crosmando: Because it's bullshit? I would have no problem paying a higher tax rate to help people in need. What I do have a problem with is self-righteous activists trying to force these issues onto the individual, when it's a social problem.
Try eating less paint. If you think something is a "social problem", the best way to solve it is political campaigning. If you sympathize with the plight of disabled people and think self-righteous activists shouldn't beg you personally to pay for Tiny Tim's cybernetic leg, you should donate (money, or time x expertise) to a political party (because you're Australian) or a charity which will lobby a political party to allocate government funds to develop cybernetic limbs and distribute them to the disabled.

from the GOG charity thread:

What's wrong with you? First you whine about how those two charities are EBUL because they try to influence elections, then you say their work should be handled by the government. Guess what, they try to get those politicians elected who will - or at least more likely to, in case of Obama - address their concerns and actually make the government do their job.

I hate charity as a permanent system. It's inefficient and designed to be inefficient. Everything except opposing the government is best handled by the government. And by far the most success a charity can achieve is to drum up popular support, push through a bill and make whatever the fuck they're doing the government's job. For example: you want to do something to help homeless kids. You register a charity, ask for donations, call upon volunteers, buy and/or build housing for the kids, arrange their education, etc, show off those kids and how well they're doing to get more people all sniffly and teary-eyed, and eventually you push through a bill which provides community housing for the homeless and residential rights for children with landed parents. Then you see that it works, say "awesome, we fukken did it", and celebrate. Then (maybe) go look for another cause to support.

TL;DR:
NO effective charity is apolitical. Either your mission is to hand over your cause to the government and go out of "business" (food, education, housing, medical help, scientific research, animal protection), or it is to call out and oppose the government when it fucks up (see: anything concerned with human rights) - but you still want to get politicians who promise to not infringe human rights elected over those who say they will.
Post edited December 10, 2013 by Starmaker
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Neobr10: I would like to thank everyone for their time and attention. Let this be a lesson to all of you.
Oh don't worry, he's going to say that the moment some rumor mentions EA actually eats puppies.
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Starmaker: Try eating less paint. If you think something is a "social problem", the best way to solve it is political campaigning. If you sympathize with the plight of disabled people and think self-righteous activists shouldn't beg you personally to pay for Tiny Tim's cybernetic leg, you should donate (money, or time x expertise) to a political party (because you're Australian) or a charity which will lobby a political party to allocate government funds to develop cybernetic limbs and distribute them to the disabled.

from the GOG charity thread:
I couldn't give a toss about politics, and I sure ain't going to waste my time on them. I'm just *saying*, these are social issues and the prudent and most effective way to handle social issues is letting the government handle it, so if hypothetically a government (in my country or in any country) wanted to tax their citizens more to help out people in need, by increasing the regular health and welfare budgets for such projects, I would not have a problem with it.

But trying to force the burden of social problems onto individual persons is complete bullshit. And trying to guilt-trip ordinary people into giving what little they gave to charity is self-righteous low-life bullshit. Tax people who earn millions a year to hell and back, they can afford it, don't bother anyone else. kthnxbai
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Roman5: what I care about with a publisher is with it publishing good games, EA has not been doing that
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keeveek: Go to rehab Roman, you're drunk as usual.

or at least go to /v/ where you belong.
My reaction to this whole thread:

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