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hedwards: I'm not going to do it, but I'm really tempted to pirate the thing while I wait for my retail version to unlock. It seriously pisses me off having to wait so that the retailers can maintain their usual release schedule.
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GameRager: Yeah....still, it requires Dukelike strength to maintain your composure until then...so props where props is due. :)
Taking the high road sucks. The easy thing is never buying anything ever again from Gamestop and the other retailers that are depriving me of Duke, my they rot in silicon hell for all I care.
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GameRager: Yeah....still, it requires Dukelike strength to maintain your composure until then...so props where props is due. :)
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hedwards: Taking the high road sucks. The easy thing is never buying anything ever again from Gamestop and the other retailers that are depriving me of Duke, my they rot in silicon hell for all I care.
Hey, I use em on occasion....because why shouldn't I snag a good deal if I can? I do try to use other retailers more often though. But sometimes they have a cheap old PS2 game and I can't help but get it.
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hedwards: Taking the high road sucks. The easy thing is never buying anything ever again from Gamestop and the other retailers that are depriving me of Duke, my they rot in silicon hell for all I care.
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GameRager: Hey, I use em on occasion....because why shouldn't I snag a good deal if I can? I do try to use other retailers more often though. But sometimes they have a cheap old PS2 game and I can't help but get it.
Personally, I tend to use Stone age gamers, estarland and Pink Gorilla Gaming far more often. The last one is really local with only 2 locations, but they've got a wall of old carts.

Which reminds me, I need to put my old retrode up for sale so that I can get the new model, my soldering skills just aren't up to making the mod I need to actually work
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GameRager: Hey, I use em on occasion....because why shouldn't I snag a good deal if I can? I do try to use other retailers more often though. But sometimes they have a cheap old PS2 game and I can't help but get it.
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hedwards: Personally, I tend to use Stone age gamers, estarland and Pink Gorilla Gaming far more often. The last one is really local with only 2 locations, but they've got a wall of old carts.

Which reminds me, I need to put my old retrode up for sale so that I can get the new model, my soldering skills just aren't up to making the mod I need to actually work
Game Craze(not CRAZY) is a good local NY seller that carries used games for older consoles like nes/snes/n64/etc...as well as newer games at cheap prices. Great store that is.
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hedwards: The demo was itself very linear, but it didn't have blocky graphics.
I would guess that by "blocky" they mean "low-poly" which is one of the first thing I noticed in the demo, especially in the "desert" level.
Does anyone have the full game yet? I'm guessing steam international preorders are the first to play...anyone here have any impressions on the full game?
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FraterPerdurabo: I agree - but how great are the differences, and which countries are you comparing? In Europe we pay about 25-30% more than you do in the US, due to taxation (even more in the UK). Personally, I don't really care if I pay 30 or 40 pounds for a game because I buy them so infrequently, and I probably wouldn't buy more games if they cheaper (except for those awesome 2-3 pound sales).
Keep in mind that there are also all kind of other nighmares that come with distributing abroad, i.e. hiring foreign lawyers, customer supper in different languages, simple costs of transport, etc.

And in the end, there will always be parallel trade.
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StingingVelvet: I don't know much about European economies, or really any but my own. I know you can't just change their money into dollars and then complain, it depends more on average wages and cost of living.

What I do have Aussies tell me is that their cost of living is roughly the same as ours, as are their average wages, and yet they pay double what we do for games. I'm sure import taxes for boxed copies and taxes has something to do with that, but surely not double?

Also I can't imagine Brazil has a higher average wage than the US, yet this whole conversation started with someone living there saying their games cost $120.
That's fair enough - 120 is an overkill indeed.
However, do keep in mind that retailers buy the game from the developer in the first place. The price they sell it for afterwards is almost entirely up to them. In the US, retail price maintenance is no longer a per se competition law infringment (it can now be justified), whereas it still is a hardcore offence under EU competition law (it can be justified, but the burden of proof is extremely hard). Here the original company can recommend a selling price, or set a maximum resale price, but it is not allowed to set a minimum resale price. Therefore, a game going for 120 in a country is unlikely to be due to the pricing practice of the developer / publisher, but rather due to the retailer.
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StingingVelvet: I don't know much about European economies, or really any but my own. I know you can't just change their money into dollars and then complain, it depends more on average wages and cost of living.

What I do have Aussies tell me is that their cost of living is roughly the same as ours, as are their average wages, and yet they pay double what we do for games. I'm sure import taxes for boxed copies and taxes has something to do with that, but surely not double?

Also I can't imagine Brazil has a higher average wage than the US, yet this whole conversation started with someone living there saying their games cost $120.
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FraterPerdurabo: That's fair enough - 120 is an overkill indeed.
However, do keep in mind that retailers buy the game from the developer in the first place. The price they sell it for afterwards is almost entirely up to them. In the US, retail price maintenance is no longer a per se competition law infringment (it can now be justified), whereas it still is a hardcore offence under EU competition law (it can be justified, but the burden of proof is extremely hard). Here the original company can recommend a selling price, or set a maximum resale price, but it is not allowed to set a minimum resale price. Therefore, a game going for 120 in a country is unlikely to be due to the pricing practice of the developer / publisher, but rather due to the retailer.
Or people gouging and politicians getting graft......the stores should all be investigated that price that high, checked to see price paid per unit of stock compared to sale price, and if the ratio is higher than 1.9:1 they get ordered to lower it.
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GameRager: Or people gouging and politicians getting graft......the stores should all be investigated that price that high, checked to see price paid per unit of stock compared to sale price, and if the ratio is higher than 1.9:1 they get ordered to lower it.
Not in a free market economy, thanks
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GameRager: Or people gouging and politicians getting graft......the stores should all be investigated that price that high, checked to see price paid per unit of stock compared to sale price, and if the ratio is higher than 1.9:1 they get ordered to lower it.
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FraterPerdurabo: Not in a free market economy, thanks
So you'd rather pay high prices as long as people can charge what they want for stuff? :\

There's free market, and then there's price gouging. Yes games aren't necessities but I feel EVERYTHING you buy should be subject to price gouging laws. They can't afford to buy another car for the managers of the store? Well tough titties.
Post edited June 10, 2011 by GameRager
Anyone interested in buying it from Europe were wise to wait. GetGames: £22.49 (€25.30) just select £ from payment options. That's substantially cheaper than anywhere else.
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Delixe: Anyone interested in buying it from Europe were wise to wait. GetGames: £22.49 (€25.30) just select £ from payment options. That's substantially cheaper than anywhere else.
No BOS edition? No interested.
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Delixe: Anyone interested in buying it from Europe were wise to wait. GetGames: £22.49 (€25.30) just select £ from payment options. That's substantially cheaper than anywhere else.
getgames is pretty awesome in that sense. Can just pick your own currency, I hope it lasts :)

DNF price is dropping like a rock though, shortly before release and now after even more it seems. From the threads I read people are generally either not so impressed or seem to think it's ok/fine for a Duke game (mostly working on Nostalgia).
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GameRager: No BOS edition? No interested.
How exactly are you expecting the delivery of the BOS edition digitally? Fax?
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FraterPerdurabo: Not in a free market economy, thanks
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GameRager: So you'd rather pay high prices as long as people can charge what they want for stuff? :\

There's free market, and then there's price gouging. Yes games aren't necessities but I feel EVERYTHING you buy should be subject to price gouging laws. They can't afford to buy another car for the managers of the store? Well tough titties.
First of all - there is simple economics of price elasticity. Your game costs 120 dollars instead of the usual 50? Not going to buy it. I'll buy the other game instead. That's called competition, and it forces prices down. If it didn't, why don't we have games going for hundreds of dollars already? The demand for video games is very elastic.

And the next thing - politicians investigating shops to bring prices down? Are you serious? Perhaps in the Soviet Union. Politicians aren't autocrats, they have very clearly defined powers as to what they can or cannot do. Your average politician doesn't have more power than that of the vote. If "they" wanted to bring prices down, this would have to be done through legal means. Your equivalent - going through both houses and being signed by the President. And what is this bill going to say? We just spent a week on the job naming THE CORRECT price for Duke Nukem Forever. Budget cuts be damned. Free market be damned.