But so was DN3D.

Actually, I have to imagine the target demographic they've always wanted was Rob Liefeld and Guy Ferry.

Bloody spoilers......ppl plz stop talking spoilers. :(

Also if you get offended so much maybe playing a Duke game isn't for you? Just my two cents.

Also 5 more hours!(maybe 6 or so) Yessssssssss!

Maybe being ever so slightly offended by content that depicts girls being raped by alien penises, all while the main character goes around throwing cool one-liners like "Ha, you're fucked!", isn't all that uncommon?

I'm not especially touchy, and even I thought this particular scene sounded offputting. It's hard to depict things like that in a humorous way - and if they weren't trying to be humourous - what exactly were they trying? Satisfying their teenage tentacle rape fetishes?

Yes, DN3D had girls wrapped in alien goo that told you to kill them too, but nothing as directly graphic as this scene. Watch in on Youtube before you continue judging everybody speaking out against it, seriously.

I used to think the gory scenes in games like Prey were simply good fun, and I was pretty perplexed at this scene. The combination of the obviously tried at but horribly failed humour, the extreme content, and the absolute lack of logic in it being there in the first place makes it a situation which is clearly in very, very bad taste. It's not even B-movie splatter bad taste, it's just really bad taste. And for me it's just another nail in the coffin of an already failed game.

Sigh ... do we really have to go over this again?

Are you capable of grasping the core concept that people might not agree with your viewpoint? If so, then why are you constantly replying to every perceived "attack" on the game in this fashion?

You won't even admit that it's possible some people might not enjoy a scene like the one we're presently discussing? Are you that blinded by your own ambition to defend the game at any cost, or are you just not willing to participate in any kind of compromise yourself? Do you expect to have a worthy discussing if you're not?

I don't care whether or not you like the game. I do not associate like or dislike of you personally with whether you like or dislike the game. But I think you believe that I do. You're confusing people being annoyed at you with people being annoyed about what you think about the game.

1. No..as we never had to go over it in the first place. ;)

2. I grasped that, and you should grasp that I'm going to defend the game I am a fan of. Is that a bad thing?

3. I think it's mostly people who just want to dislike the game period that are finding things to complain about...my two cents. Which I am free to post, imo.

4. The way you post to me makes it seem like some of that is the case though...maybe you just come off that way to me, I don't know for sure...it is jarring though.

Defending the game is one thing, but your "defending" always slides towards attacks at various velocities. Like accusing "everybody" of making shit up just to have something negative to say about the game. Do you really think I'd be bothered to sit here and make shit up just to bash the game because I think that would annoy you?

If you're defending, or trying to have a discussion, you're doing so very clumsily, to the point of people just giving up on discussing with you.

Lastly, you admit you haven't even played it yet, which sort of makes any attempt you make at defending it completely moot because you don't have any actual experience with it. You just assume you're going to love it.

Or put it another way; you've decided to love it, no matter what. Whether that's genuine or just a tool for you to have a convenient way of trying to come off as a "victim" defending the "nonpopular" choice, I can't tell.

The bottom line remains; you come off as a typical [insert popular game franchise here] fanboy who's time would probably be better spent at the Bethesda or Bioware forums. It seems you'll gladly take any point made against "your" game and argue in any way you can think of, to the point of insanity, that we are all wrong and DN:F is the greatest shit since chocolate-covered oreos.

1. Not make shit up, but dig shit up in this case......and to me it seems that way with all the negativity in here.

2. I'd rather assume i'll love it than hate it for now. I'm an optimist. Plus i'm defending it just because everyone else seems to be criticising it, and I love the series.

3. I never said I defend it no matter what? Where di I say or infer that? I said in here if it's bad I will criticise it. But I will still enjoy it for the good parts/aspects to some degree.

4. I'm a fan, so please don't call me that derogatory title please. I mean your last lines make you look to be an anti-fanboy, yet I don't ever call you one & I try to see the other possibilities that maybe you aren't and you just don't like it.....but your words make it hard for me to not think that.

All in all, my thread is fine being here as many here enjoy games and make threads about them......and they do so because they're fans of the games & enjoy them. And that's all I am, a fan...albeit an enthusiastic one. I am willing to accept any obvious flaws the game has after I play it, but not before. I reserve judgement based from my pov and not that written through the pov of others. If the game is bad I will complain, mark my words......

Once again, you seem to think that creating a thread gives you ownership of what is posted in the thread. As a fan of the DN series I want to hear everyone's opinion, good or bad, about the game . . . I might want to buy it. I don't really need to hear you defend the game, one that you have not yet played, every time someone posts negative comments.

Stonebro has brought up some good points for discussion, many of which I agree with it seems. I have no problem with you insisting that it is a great game, your valid opinion, one shared by others as well. Opinions that are in conflict with yours are also valid and don't require your rebuttal for each one.

Why not let the discussion continue without insisting everyone who has a negative opinion has come to an invalid conclusion? I get your point of view . . . I just don't care to hear it repeated over and over and over and over . . .

Do we need to create another DNF thread where opinions can be posted without your moderation??

Thing is most every post has been bad....not good. It's a bit lopsided really. I don't mind the criticisms but that's mostly all there's been.......I can count the number of good views of the game literally on my fingers and toes.

I feel it's within my right to rebutt comments of others if I have a counterpoint to them, just as it's their right to post those opinions.

I am just offering my opinions on other's opinions. If you don't like it then ignore them and don't post to the thread, stay ontopic and post regularly if you want, or start your own thread as you said. No one is forcing you to post in here.

(Edited to be more civil.)

If every post is bad it might just mean that the game is a fail . . . nothing more . . . nothing less.

If every other post is going to be your defense of the game than it might be worth it to someone to create another thread for a full discussion of the game . . . it's just not that important to me.

I don't agree in full....I think the vocal minority is just disproportionatly dissing the game while those who like the game are currently off playing it. Yes some are valid criticisms but not every single one...and some are outright DNF bashing for the sake of bashing in how they're worded.

And btw I like criticisms as much as the next guy.....but how many here against the game actually played it? That's what I want to know....:\

I have to agree. I finished playing this 2 days ago and it's terrible. I would like to add that i am a big fan of the original duke and really wanted to like this game, which is why i went and bought it before reading any review, which was a big mistake. It really is a mess.

If it is a mess I will concur. I haven't played it yet so I still have yet to get a good feel for it. All in all if alot say it's good it doesn't mean it's good to everyone...and the same goes for those who say it's bad. I think everyone should judge for themselves in the end either way.
This is a full discussion of the game. I'm not preventing you from posting here am I? I'm letting you say your peace. On other stricter forums thread ops can kick people out they don't want contributing. I would never do that but i'm just saying it's not as restricted in here as you seem to infer.

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Things that irk me about the new game(from demo play)

Ego system
Easy gameplay

I'm actually a bit tired of that excuse. While it may work for some RPGs cause of the longevity, the replay value, it does not work for a linear FPS which has a 8-10 hour single player. It's been released 4 days ago, 2 of those were Saturday/Sunday. So plenty of time for most people to finish it even a couple of times and post their opinions, good or bad. So I call BS on "those who like the game are currently off playing it."

Plenty. Considering YOU haven't played it and yet think it's perfectly acceptable for you to post your so called opinions every second post on this topic, don't you think it's a bit hypocritical for you to ask that question. While some may not have played it and are in the same situation as you, there are plenty who have played the game and, unlike you, actually have a leg to stay on when bashing or defending the game.