I'm gueesing either Broussard had it removed or GBX removed it to keep people from modding it and besting them at their own game(trying to polish it up for sale/play), or perhaps because Broussard wanted the original game left untouched even by modders for some insane reason. I know there's a third party app(look on duke4.net forums for it) that allows one to alt-tab out to a devlog console window and enter commands.....it looks promising at least.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but there's a thread dedicated to the console over on 2K's forum, which talks about it at length. At least as far as the console goes that was just about the multiplayer. Or that's the official line.

I don't think there's any official reason that's been given for the lack of a map editor. I have a feeling that it might have had something to do with the last delay and not having the resources, but that seems somewhat implausible to me.

I think it's pretty obvious that the reason that DNF didn't get a public demo pre-release is that they hoped that the people who had pre-ordered DNF (and were thus eligible for the demo) would have the best impressions of the game, would hype the game and hide the actual quality of the game from the general public.

It's no secret that the demo was no received well, except by those who were determined to defend the game's quality and the rare person who enjoyed the demo.

First... You are awesome!

Second... It turns out, you are far more awesome than the demo.

The demo is short.

And actually, I enjoyed the demo. And when I say I enjoyed it, I enjoyed it in the same way that I enjoyed watching a rerun of CSI: Miami last night that I already saw a few months ago... Or how I enjoyed that Burger King Double Cheeseburger that I grabbed at the drive through because I was running late for an appointment... Or how I enjoyed the conversation we had last week while I drove you to Home Depot in my mini-van, because those 10 bags of gravel you needed wouldn't fit in your Mini Cooper.

I would have been really blown away by how awesome the demo is, if I had played it in 2005. As it is now, I feel like I'm revisiting a great past game rather than trying out a new game. It just isn't fresh.

Still... I want to taste multiplayer, but I hear people aren't really turned on by the multiplayer So imagine it might have a short shelf life... and if that is going to be the case, I might as well just get back into Team Fortress again... because that was a really fun game, and probably still is... even with the hats.

The game was/is fun....stop trying to belittle it already.

The reason I tend to be a happier PC gamer than most is because I can enjoy games like that. I can play Red Faction Armageddon and get 8 hours of basic bug shooting and be pretty entertained. I also thing those 8 hours are worth $50 because honestly I don't spend much money on anything but games.

A good solid 8 hours of shooting fun is a good time for me. When a game rises above that it's great, but they don't have to.

Yeah... I hear you, understand, and agree... but I'm poor again... like I was in college... because I'm in college again :-)

I eat better this time around. I drive a nicer car and live in a better house... but I trim the fat to keep it all up.

I will buy this game. Just not now at $50... Maybe at $30 or 20... Unless something convinces me that the multiplayer is worth $50. I really wanted Duke for reliving the 100s of hours of late 90s fun I had with Duke3D.

That's why the game was so well received... oh wait, it has a metacritic score of 58. Obviously most people didn't like it. Quit with your fanatical defense of DNF.

Scores don't mean everything, and btw why don't you quit with your fanatical detraction of DNF?

the game is $36 http://www.greenmangaming.com/games/action/duke-nukem-forever/ u can acivate it on steam btw

Watch cow come on later and say it isn't even worth it if they paid YOU 36 dollars or something similar. :\

:)

Let's needlessly belittle people.

Scores are a good indicator of the feelings of the majority of people on the quality of the game, which is what I have been talking about. Nothing I have said in this topic is in any way untrue. I wouldn't be surprised if you have some sort of script set up to monitor the GOG forums for anyone saying anything negative about DNF. Give it up. You don't need to be DNF's one true protector.

I'd take the game if someone paid me $36, as long as one of two conditions were met: a) I didn't actually have to play the game, as my limited time is better spent doing things that I actually enjoy or b) taking the game would help guarantee that no further Duke Nukem games were made.

Or the demo was actually fairly good, except for determined trolls looking to trash the game regardless of quality. I saw an awful lot of people trashing the game for reasons other than the game or demo itself.

It gets kind of old seeing all the group think about how the game is so terrible and how could anybody possibly enjoy this shite game. I'm fine with people not liking it, but pretending like there isn't a lot to enjoy is just plain dishonest.

The humour is there for people who get it, blaming the developers because it doesn't match whatever expectations you had is hardly justification for bashing the game.

Ultimately, the game is a lot of fun for people that enjoy it and that's the goal of a game

You might want to look up the term "confirmation bias" because the demo wasn't as poorly received as you seem to think, it's just that most people have better things to do than to deal with all the trolls out there.
Bull fucking shit.

The scores are at best how the .000001% of the population that rights reviews feels about the game. And even then, you have to set quite a few of those reviews aside, as they aren't actual reviews, they're diatribes by people that don't want to admit that other people have their own tastes. Trashing the game for things like the humour, and the period of time it took to release and the dated graphics.

Ever notice all those movies that score like half a star and then have large numbers of people seeing and enjoying them anyways? Well, critics aren't perfect, and at least with movie critics they've had some education and are trying to inform the public about what's in the game, the good and the bad, rather than trashing things for ratings. Watch a decent review and even a bad review is likely to give reasons why one might want to watch.

But, then again, I'm sure you'd rather go back to trolling than admit that perhaps you're being extremely narrow minded.