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Posted July 12, 2014
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ktchong: People should NOT be supporting BioWare. Nowadays BioWare games are actually "hooks" to entice fans to install/use Origin and pay for DLCs at full prices. This is BioWare's business model: you pay the full price for the main game, or maybe you pay $7, 10 or $12 for it when it's on sale. However, you would have to pay another $80 to $120 for all the story DLCs to get the "full/complete experience" of the game. (BioWare DLCs are NEVER discounted, even years and years after they came out.)

Moreover, BioWare no longer releases "Game of the Year", "Complete" or "Gold/Platinum" edition of their games that would include all DLCs and expansions. BioWare wants people to pay for the DLCs, individually, at full prices.

Then there is the "BioWare points" scam. You cannot directly pay for BioWare DLCS with a currency, (i.e., dollar, euro, whatever.) You'd have to buy "BioWare points", and then use those points to pay for DLCs. BioWare points are packaged in incrementals to make customers always pay more than they actually need.

An example: let say you want a couple of Mass Effect 2 or 3 DLCs, which should cost 650 BioWare points (about $5 to $7). However, BioWare does not sell 650 points; but they sell 800 points for $10. So you end up paying more ($10) when the stuff you want would actually cost $5 to $7. You have 50 points leftover, which can only be used to buy BioWare stuff - except the 50 points are not enough to buy anything. So BioWare can sell you more points. BioWare points are calculated, structured and packaged in ways to always make people pay more than necessary. That is the soft scam BioWare is running.

I do not agree with their business model, so I'd pass this game...and all future BioWare games. It's a pity, but I have too many games in my Steam and GOG libraries with which I can't keep up, so I won't miss them. I just wish people would STOP supporting BioWare's business model - and show that decision to BioWare with their wallets.
At least Dragon Age: Origins has a complete Edition on Origin though.
Posted July 12, 2014
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ktchong: People should NOT be supporting BioWare. Nowadays BioWare games are actually "hooks" to entice fans to install/use Origin and pay for DLCs at full prices. This is BioWare's business model: you pay the full price for the main game, or maybe you pay $7, 10 or $12 for it when it's on sale. However, you would have to pay another $80 to $120 for all the story DLCs to get the "full/complete experience" of the game. (BioWare DLCs are NEVER discounted, even years and years after they came out.)

Moreover, BioWare no longer releases "Game of the Year", "Complete" or "Gold/Platinum" edition of their games that would include all DLCs and expansions. BioWare wants people to pay for the DLCs, individually, at full prices.

Then there is the "BioWare points" scam. You cannot directly pay for BioWare DLCS with a currency, (i.e., dollar, euro, whatever.) You'd have to buy "BioWare points", and then use those points to pay for DLCs. BioWare points are packaged in incrementals to make customers always pay more than they actually need.

An example: let say you want a couple of Mass Effect 2 or 3 DLCs, which should cost 650 BioWare points (about $5 to $7). However, BioWare does not sell 650 points; but they sell 800 points for $10. So you end up paying more ($10) when the stuff you want would actually cost $5 to $7. You have 50 points leftover, which can only be used to buy BioWare stuff - except the 50 points are not enough to buy anything. So BioWare can sell you more points. BioWare points are calculated, structured and packaged in ways to always make people pay more than necessary. That is the soft scam BioWare is running.

I do not agree with their business model, so I'd pass this game...and all future BioWare games. It's a pity, but I have too many games in my Steam and GOG libraries with which I can't keep up, so I won't miss them. I just wish people would STOP supporting BioWare's business model - and show that decision to BioWare with their wallets.
Yes, I agree with you. I own Mass Effect Trilogy and both Dragon Age games (the first in complete edition), but I never managed to grab one DLC,just because they are too expansive and they NEVER get a discount.

Probably they will replicate this thing with Dragon Age 3, offering a bonus character if you pre-order the game and tons of DLC.

Also, they planned a Mass Effect Trilogy for next gen consolle, so I'm curious if they will include all DLC or, probably, they are aiming for selling all those DLC, again, on PSN and Live.
Posted July 12, 2014
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ktchong: People should NOT be supporting BioWare. Nowadays BioWare games are actually "hooks" to entice fans to install/use Origin and pay for DLCs at full prices. This is BioWare's business model: you pay the full price for the main game, or maybe you pay $7, 10 or $12 for it when it's on sale. However, you would have to pay another $80 to $120 for all the story DLCs to get the "full/complete experience" of the game. (BioWare DLCs are NEVER discounted, even years and years after they came out.)

Moreover, BioWare no longer releases "Game of the Year", "Complete" or "Gold/Platinum" edition of their games that would include all DLCs and expansions. BioWare wants people to pay for the DLCs, individually, at full prices.

Then there is the "BioWare points" scam. You cannot directly pay for BioWare DLCS with a currency, (i.e., dollar, euro, whatever.) You'd have to buy "BioWare points", and then use those points to pay for DLCs. BioWare points are packaged in incrementals to make customers always pay more than they actually need.

An example: let say you want a couple of Mass Effect 2 or 3 DLCs, which should cost 650 BioWare points (about $5 to $7). However, BioWare does not sell 650 points; but they sell 800 points for $10. So you end up paying more ($10) when the stuff you want would actually cost $5 to $7. You have 50 points leftover, which can only be used to buy BioWare stuff - except the 50 points are not enough to buy anything. So BioWare can sell you more points. BioWare points are calculated, structured and packaged in ways to always make people pay more than necessary. That is the soft scam BioWare is running.

I do not agree with their business model, so I'd pass this game...and all future BioWare games. It's a pity, but I have too many games in my Steam and GOG libraries with which I can't keep up, so I won't miss them. I just wish people would STOP supporting BioWare's business model - and show that decision to BioWare with their wallets.
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Punished_Snake: Yes, I agree with you. I own Mass Effect Trilogy and both Dragon Age games (the first in complete edition), but I never managed to grab one DLC,just because they are too expansive and they NEVER get a discount.

Probably they will replicate this thing with Dragon Age 3, offering a bonus character if you pre-order the game and tons of DLC.

Also, they planned a Mass Effect Trilogy for next gen consolle, so I'm curious if they will include all DLC or, probably, they are aiming for selling all those DLC, again, on PSN and Live.
Bioware did Promise no DLC Companions Inquisition:

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/dragon-age-inquisition-won-t-have-dlc-characters-because-of-on-disc-controversy/1100-6418895/
Posted July 12, 2014
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liquidsnakehpks: btw are we going to get a closure for dragon age 2 or its just abandoned ?
Dragon age 2? Are we getting closure in origins?
Posted July 12, 2014
The company that gave you BGII doesn't exist anymore. I'm wary of anything coming out of Bioware/EA these days.
Post edited July 12, 2014 by ROD2k
Posted July 12, 2014
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ROD2k: The company that gave you BGII doesn't exist anymore. I'm wary of anything coming out of Bioware/EA these days.
But hopefully we all don't hate it much. Divinity is good but I hate my apartment, it is insane hot.
Posted July 12, 2014
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Punished_Snake: Yes, I agree with you. I own Mass Effect Trilogy and both Dragon Age games (the first in complete edition), but I never managed to grab one DLC,just because they are too expansive and they NEVER get a discount.

Probably they will replicate this thing with Dragon Age 3, offering a bonus character if you pre-order the game and tons of DLC.

Also, they planned a Mass Effect Trilogy for next gen consolle, so I'm curious if they will include all DLC or, probably, they are aiming for selling all those DLC, again, on PSN and Live.
Is Origin as toxic as they make it to be? If it's just like Steam I woudln't mind getting DAO: Ultimate Edition from them, but if it's just malware, then I guess I'm not buying that. Also, I know it requires a Bioware profile, which to my knowledge is just their BSN thing, but does it have activation limits?
Posted July 12, 2014
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Punished_Snake: Yes, I agree with you. I own Mass Effect Trilogy and both Dragon Age games (the first in complete edition), but I never managed to grab one DLC,just because they are too expansive and they NEVER get a discount.

Probably they will replicate this thing with Dragon Age 3, offering a bonus character if you pre-order the game and tons of DLC.

Also, they planned a Mass Effect Trilogy for next gen consolle, so I'm curious if they will include all DLC or, probably, they are aiming for selling all those DLC, again, on PSN and Live.
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javier0889: Is Origin as toxic as they make it to be? If it's just like Steam I woudln't mind getting DAO: Ultimate Edition from them, but if it's just malware, then I guess I'm not buying that. Also, I know it requires a Bioware profile, which to my knowledge is just their BSN thing, but does it have activation limits?
They removed the malware some time ago, so basically now it's like Steam. Also if you own a Origin account, you own a Bioware one too, they joined the account one or two years ago.
Posted July 12, 2014
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javier0889: If it's just like Steam I woudln't mind getting DAO: Ultimate Edition from them, but if it's just malware, then I guess I'm not buying that. Also, I know it requires a Bioware profile, which to my knowledge is just their BSN thing, but does it have activation limits?

*Note: Digital PC versions of Dragon Age: Origins do not contain SecuROM technology, but use a new online activation system instead. To learn more about the online activation system used by Digital PC versions of Dragon Age: Origins, click here. (Physical disk copies of Dragon Age: Origins use disk-based copy protection, and not SecuROM.)
Source: http://help.ea.com/en/article/de-authorize-dragon-age-origins-on-the-mac-platform/

I own a physical copy of Dragon Age: Origins - Ultimate Edition for PC. You only need to create an account in order to download all the DLC and extras. They do require online activation but if I recall correctly that's only the first time you play them.

Regarding activation limits:
http://activate.ea.com/deauthorize/
Post edited July 12, 2014 by Lemon_Curry
Posted July 12, 2014
I see. I'm ok with online activation for DLCs, as long as there aren't arbitrary limits or stuff like that, like in Mass Effect.
Posted July 12, 2014
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javier0889: I see. I'm ok with online activation for DLCs, as long as there aren't arbitrary limits or stuff like that, like in Mass Effect.
Which arbitrary limits are you thinking of?
Posted July 12, 2014
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javier0889: I see. I'm ok with online activation for DLCs, as long as there aren't arbitrary limits or stuff like that, like in Mass Effect.
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Lemon_Curry: Which arbitrary limits are you thinking of?
Like when you had like 5 activations, which were registered to your computer, but if you changed any piece of hardware it wasted another activation, because the system thought it was "another" computer. Sutff like that.
Posted July 12, 2014
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javier0889: Like when you had like 5 activations, which were registered to your computer, but if you changed any piece of hardware it wasted another activation, because the system thought it was "another" computer. Sutff like that.
Okay, thanks. I didn't buy the game until after EA introduced the de-authorization tools.
Posted July 12, 2014
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javier0889: snip...DAO: Ultimate Edition...snip... Also, I know it requires a Bioware profile, which to my knowledge is just their BSN thing, but does it have activation limits?
Not sure about the Steam or Origin versions, but there's no need to register the disc version of the Ultimate Edition to your Bioware account unless you plan to use Bioware Social Network features, and circumventing the DRM for the DLC requires only a simple tweak of one game file. I've written detailed advice at:

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/tides_of_numenera_and_project_eternity/post18
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/tides_of_numenera_and_project_eternity/post20

but in short:

Install from the discs, install the latest DA:O patch, install the patched version of Witch Hunt, install the promo pack, edit addins.xml, install a mod fix for Ancient Elven Boots, done. Complete offline install, no login required to play (and if desired you should be able to sell your copy later without issue).

The only caveat is that you'll need to acquire the patched version of Witch Hunt and the promo pack from a friend, TPB, or whatever.
Post edited July 12, 2014 by SeduceMePlz
Posted July 12, 2014
Will this game still only have three classes? (Mage/Rogue/Warrior) I don't know why anyone would ever think having 3 classes is enough for a party-based RPG. I think Obsidian are having 10 or 11 for PoE.

I can imagine that having heaps of potential companions won't matter much if they all end up being very same-y in how they play. Even if you can only have 4 characters in a party at the same time they'll still be at least 1 duplicate.
Post edited July 12, 2014 by Crosmando
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