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Posted April 09, 2011
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Namur: From what i gather that's 1/3 of what they were going for, which i believe was 6M.
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Delixe: Which just makes you wonder how batshit insane Mike Laidlaw is. He thought he would get more sales than DA:O's 5 Million by stripping it to pieces and introducing WoW style quests.
Maybe he spends too much time on his WOW account and not enough in reality, whatever that is:)

They should get some GOTY sales around Christmas, but I don't think it'll be that much really.
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bevinator: To be fair, WoW actually has better quests than DA2. Sure, there are tons of fedex and "kill X monsters" quests, but there are also a lot of very interesting quests as well. Sure, it's a low percentage, but those good quests ARE there. The "interesting quest quotient" for DA2 is actually lower in my opinion.
Maybe now WOW does, when it launched I assure you it did not.
Post edited April 09, 2011 by orcishgamer
Posted April 09, 2011
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orcishgamer: Maybe he spends too much time on his WOW account and not enough in reality, whatever that is:)
Sad thing is he already said he would be rather working on Mass Effect. WRONG MAN FOR THE JOB!
Posted April 09, 2011
WoW had a few at launch, like the furbolg rod quest or all the Tirion Fordring stuff. Mostly though I wasn't complimenting wow, but rather saying how incredibly bland all the DA2 quests were. To me, they were about on par with the Hellgate: London quests, except the quest dialog wasn't as witty. That's just terrible. At least the Hellgate quests were fun to read the first time.
Posted April 09, 2011
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orcishgamer: Maybe he spends too much time on his WOW account and not enough in reality, whatever that is:)
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Delixe: Sad thing is he already said he would be rather working on Mass Effect. WRONG MAN FOR THE JOB!
Yeah, he strikes me as a Cliffy B kind of jerk off. He knows best and you're just a lame gamer, he'd like nothing more than for you to fuck off and pay him his rockstar salary.
Posted April 09, 2011
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orcishgamer: Yeah, he strikes me as a Cliffy B kind of jerk off. He knows best and you're just a lame gamer, he'd like nothing more than for you to fuck off and pay him his rockstar salary.
To his credit he did reply to the critisim thread with "Keep it coming guys this is all useful stuff". Then again he said that about the DA:O feedback threads and produced DA2.
Posted April 09, 2011
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bevinator: WoW had a few at launch, like the furbolg rod quest or all the Tirion Fordring stuff. Mostly though I wasn't complimenting wow, but rather saying how incredibly bland all the DA2 quests were. To me, they were about on par with the Hellgate: London quests, except the quest dialog wasn't as witty. That's just terrible. At least the Hellgate quests were fun to read the first time.
Yeah that Fordring stuff ended pretty badly. Except for Van Cleefe I can't think of a single good questline they did in the first 40 levels (there was one other one but they never finished it, the Worgen one, where you keep reading about some evil scythe, you know which one I'm talking about I'm sure).

I know you're not saying WOW has great quests or anything, but saying it had anything but fedex and collect goblin noses quests originally would be a huge stretch.
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orcishgamer: Yeah, he strikes me as a Cliffy B kind of jerk off. He knows best and you're just a lame gamer, he'd like nothing more than for you to fuck off and pay him his rockstar salary.
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Delixe: To his credit he did reply to the critisim thread with "Keep it coming guys this is all useful stuff". Then again he said that about the DA:O feedback threads and produced DA2.
Are there so few people who strike gold in the industry that they feel compelled to keep handing these kinds of folks lead roles on all these projects? Serious question, kind of seems like publishers just hope these same people can keep striking gold for them and put them in charge.
Post edited April 09, 2011 by orcishgamer
Posted April 09, 2011
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bevinator: To be fair, WoW actually has better quests than DA2.
I never played WoW, probably never will as sp games consume more time that i can afford as it is, but after playing DA2 i have absolutey no trouble believing that. Seriously, it's hard to imagine less interesting quests in any game.
Posted April 09, 2011
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orcishgamer: Are there so few people who strike gold in the industry that they feel compelled to keep handing these kinds of folks lead roles on all these projects? Serious question, kind of seems like publishers just hope these same people can keep striking gold for them and put them in charge.
Laidlaw never stuck Gold. The original producers of DA:O left Bioware. Laidlaw was in charge of the terrible console ports. He was also involved in Jade Empire and Sonic: Chronicles.

None of this was EA. Remember Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeshuk are now EA Vice Presidents. This was a Bioware decision. Amazingly.
Posted April 09, 2011
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orcishgamer: Are there so few people who strike gold in the industry that they feel compelled to keep handing these kinds of folks lead roles on all these projects? Serious question, kind of seems like publishers just hope these same people can keep striking gold for them and put them in charge.
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Delixe: Laidlaw never stuck Gold. The original producers of DA:O left Bioware. Laidlaw was in charge of the terrible console ports. He was also involved in Jade Empire and Sonic: Chronicles.

None of this was EA. Remember Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeshuk are now EA Vice Presidents. This was a Bioware decision. Amazingly.
Oh, didn't he help on the ME team a bit? He did work on the DA:O console port, and I agree, it was terrible (guess which version I bought, ouch), I kind of assumed that's why they thought he was the man for the job. I guess that might not count as striking gold. I knew about his Sonic crap, though I think Jade Empire was considered good (never played it, hear it spoken of frequently though).
Posted April 09, 2011
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orcishgamer: Oh, didn't he help on the ME team a bit?
Yes hence he keeps going on about ME. What the fuck is he doing working on Dragon Age?

Jade Empire was a very good game but it was very non-Bioware. It was actually closer to The Witcher.
Posted April 09, 2011
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orcishgamer: Oh, didn't he help on the ME team a bit?
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Delixe: Yes hence he keeps going on about ME. What the fuck is he doing working on Dragon Age?

Jade Empire was a very good game but it was very non-Bioware. It was actually closer to The Witcher.
I suspect he wanted lead on ME2 or ME3 and didn't get it. Probably has a bee in his bonnet over it. Thus he tries to outdo the ME2/3 team and screws over what made the game he was actually working on special.

I'm just guessing here. He sounds like a fairly miserable person to have in charge of any project. In fact the reality distortion field he seems to throw around seems more like a CEO trait. I guess he missed his shot at glory twice now, the second time due to his own screwup.
Posted April 09, 2011
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orcishgamer: I suspect he wanted lead on ME2 or ME3 and didn't get it. Probably has a bee in his bonnet over it. Thus he tries to outdo the ME2/3 team and screws over what made the game he was actually working on special.

I'm just guessing here. He sounds like a fairly miserable person to have in charge of any project. In fact the reality distortion field he seems to throw around seems more like a CEO trait. I guess he missed his shot at glory twice now, the second time due to his own screwup.
Some people are saying when the two Producers of DA:O went on Holiday Laidlaw pulled a dick move on them. When they came back they were off Dragon Age and on some un-named project that would never be released. Brent Knowles seems to confirm this with comments he made on his blog. Evidently the Bioware he left wasn't the same one he came back to.

Laidlaw seems to be the type that will tell you anything you want to hear as long as you pay him. Which again seems to be true given the videos with him.
Posted April 09, 2011
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orcishgamer: I suspect he wanted lead on ME2 or ME3 and didn't get it. Probably has a bee in his bonnet over it. Thus he tries to outdo the ME2/3 team and screws over what made the game he was actually working on special.

I'm just guessing here. He sounds like a fairly miserable person to have in charge of any project. In fact the reality distortion field he seems to throw around seems more like a CEO trait. I guess he missed his shot at glory twice now, the second time due to his own screwup.
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Delixe: Some people are saying when the two Producers of DA:O went on Holiday Laidlaw pulled a dick move on them. When they came back they were off Dragon Age and on some un-named project that would never be released. Brent Knowles seems to confirm this with comments he made on his blog. Evidently the Bioware he left wasn't the same one he came back to.

Laidlaw seems to be the type that will tell you anything you want to hear as long as you pay him. Which again seems to be true given the videos with him.
Hmm, that could explain someone like Knowles moving on. Too bad no one ever seems comfortable calling people like that out in public due to careers/slander/whatever, it gives them power.
Posted April 09, 2011
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bevinator: To be fair, WoW actually has better quests than DA2. Sure, there are tons of fedex and "kill X monsters" quests, but there are also a lot of very interesting quests as well. Sure, it's a low percentage, but those good quests ARE there. The "interesting quest quotient" for DA2 is actually lower in my opinion.
It sounds amazing, but it's definitely true.
The Duskwood, Onyxia quest chains, AQ40 event quests and all other major plot quests had more story in them than the whole of DA2.
Posted April 10, 2011
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bevinator: To be fair, WoW actually has better quests than DA2.
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Namur: I never played WoW, probably never will as sp games consume more time that i can afford as it is, but after playing DA2 i have absolutey no trouble believing that. Seriously, it's hard to imagine less interesting quests in any game.
WoW is like 100 lame fetch or collection quests for every 1 interesting one. Honestly DA2 is roughly the same... the main quests and companion quests versus the collection and fedex quests.

Neither is a great example of quest design honestly. I guess WoW's one in a hundred quests are good, but not worth the slog to get to.
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