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langurmonkey: I think they just want everyone who is interested in Doom 3 to be forced to pay more for the BFG edition to make more money.
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SimonG: Apart from that fact that the BFG edition is cheaper than Doom 3 +exp + Doom 1 + Doom 2 was before it ...
It's censored more than the original releases, so it ain't worth shit.
And they wonder why people pirate these games...
I wonder how many people this will effect. If you wanted Doom 3 then you most likely bought it dirt cheap during a sale (like I did).

I guess they want people to buy the BFG version
I have never been happier to own my boxed edition of Doom 3 (despite it not really being very good, it was still somewhat entertaining). Fuck that noise, I am NOT wasting what little cash I actually do have on a censored copy of a game.

It's not the fact that things aren't there so much as they were purposely removed to make it "more acceptable" to certain sensibilities. I have been around long enough to make my own decisions as to what I do and don't want to see, so having that choice taken away from me really is irritating.

I suppose it would bother me less (as it did before seeing they pulled original Doom 3) if they had of kept both versions. If someone is in too much of a hurry to read a description before they download that is their own damned fault for not taking a few seconds to make sure they were downloading the right version.

I realize people make mistakes but this is infuriating, it's like encouraging complacency. Okay, perhaps I am being a touch melodramatic, but it is still irritating to see companies pulling stuff like this. I was actually reconsidering getting all of the Doom 3 packages and giving them another chance, well, sadly now that ain't happening. Maybe I should download Doom 2 before that ends up getting yanked from sale. >.>

Sorry about the mini-rant folks, don't mind me. ^_^
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Theta_Sigma: ....
Install Doom 3 from your disc. Patch up to the newest version. Install Doom 3 HD mod. Install The Dark Mod. Now you possess a superior version of Doom 3 and perfect remake of Thief games. Congratulations.
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Theta_Sigma: ....
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Fenixp: Install Doom 3 from your disc. Patch up to the newest version. Install Doom 3 HD mod. Install The Dark Mod. Now you possess a superior version of Doom 3 and perfect remake of Thief games. Congratulations.
Ooo, I've been meaning to get TDM, thanks for reminding me about it man :). I just wish I had the expansion for D3, will it work with vanilla D3 or do you need both?
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Theta_Sigma: Ooo, I've been meaning to get TDM, thanks for reminding me about it man :). I just wish I had the expansion for D3, will it work with vanilla D3 or do you need both?
Most mods that I've seen only need vanilla Doom 3, and The Dark Mod is no exception, so yeah, just do that, get it. I'm currently playing Thief 2 and after playing best maps of The Dark Mod, I don't seem to like T2 as much as I used to, that's how brilliant TDM is.
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Theta_Sigma: Ooo, I've been meaning to get TDM, thanks for reminding me about it man :). I just wish I had the expansion for D3, will it work with vanilla D3 or do you need both?
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Fenixp: Most mods that I've seen only need vanilla Doom 3, and The Dark Mod is no exception, so yeah, just do that, get it. I'm currently playing Thief 2 and after playing best maps of The Dark Mod, I don't seem to like T2 as much as I used to, that's how brilliant TDM is.
You've sold me on it then, I know what I'm doing this weekend. Wow, first time in a long time I can say that...that's sad... TT_TT
I own the original plus Resurrection of Evil in a retail version, so no problem.
I bought the Super id Software Pack in December of '09. I'm still missing RAGE, which a friend picked up in a later id sale, but I did get Quake 4, and Wolfenstein was still on Steam and part of the pack when I bought it. Enemy Territory: Quake Wars never had a good deal before they removed it on Steam, but it still sits at the top of my wishlist. It's not quite as related, but I also have Prey from a retail copy. I've been fortunate enough to have collected a number of games prior to their removal from Steam, GOG, and even DotEmu. It's rather depressing. :(

I had an interest in BFG initially. I thought I might check it out for $2.50 one day. Primarily for the new levels, but seeing as how those levels don't seem to have had all that much effort put into them... and that they censored the classic Doom games and removed several titles from sale, I think they can go fuck themselves.


There's something I'm wondering though. When you buy BFG, do they add the original Doom 3 and Resurrection of Evil to your Steam account as well? What about the classic Doom games? Do they add Ultimate Doom, Doom II, Master Levels, and Final Doom to your account with the purchase of BFG, or can you only play Doom I and II from inside of BFG? From what I've been hearing, it seems to be implied that none of this is the case at all, but I haven't quite found a solid answer to that yet.
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F4LL0UT: Thank God I already owned all the Doom games on Steam. Bethesda can go fuck itself.
Me too. Glad i grabbed every id shooter in the last sale.
Gross.

I wonder if this will be like George Lucas with the original Star Wars movies. People should only have the digital remakes according to him. Many fans just want some of the more ugly things in the movies that were due to limitations at the time cleaned up a little bit, not a new Max Rebo band. I think there's a pirate version floating around that accomplished just that though ;)
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KyleKatarn: I wonder if this will be like George Lucas with the original Star Wars movies. People should only have the digital remakes according to him. Many fans just want some of the more ugly things in the movies that were due to limitations at the time cleaned up a little bit, not a new Max Rebo band. I think there's a pirate version floating around that accomplished just that though ;)
At least they did provide a DVD release of the original unedited Star Wars trilogy at some point (in 4:3 format though). I doubt something like that will happen with Doom. And sure, people will resort to piracy to get the original version - who can blame them. Bethesda could have at least included the original unedited versions with the BFG edition as a "bonus" (which would be considered the best part of the package by lots of people).

Reminds me, I should grab Quake 4 before they do something similar for that one.
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Skunk: There's something I'm wondering though. When you buy BFG, do they add the original Doom 3 and Resurrection of Evil to your Steam account as well? What about the classic Doom games? Do they add Ultimate Doom, Doom II, Master Levels, and Final Doom to your account with the purchase of BFG, or can you only play Doom I and II from inside of BFG? From what I've been hearing, it seems to be implied that none of this is the case at all, but I haven't quite found a solid answer to that yet.
They don't add the original D3 or expansion to your account. Final Doom and the Master Levels are not added either. I'm not sure if Doom and Doom 2 load up separately but I think they have standard WAD files you can use elsewhere. You used to get the Master Levels when buying Doom 2 separately and you don't now. Final Doom can't be purchased anywhere on Steam either so everyone is being herded to the BFG edition.
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KyleKatarn: I wonder if this will be like George Lucas with the original Star Wars movies. People should only have the digital remakes according to him. Many fans just want some of the more ugly things in the movies that were due to limitations at the time cleaned up a little bit, not a new Max Rebo band. I think there's a pirate version floating around that accomplished just that though ;)
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F4LL0UT: At least they did provide a DVD release of the original unedited Star Wars trilogy at some point (in 4:3 format though). I doubt something like that will happen with Doom. And sure, people will resort to piracy to get the original version - who can blame them. Bethesda could have at least included the original unedited versions with the BFG edition as a "bonus" (which would be considered the best part of the package by lots of people).

Reminds me, I should grab Quake 4 before they do something similar for that one.
Yeah, those are the only versions I have bought. Before that I had VHS tapes with recordings from the TV version (with the commercials skipped of course). People had problems with the letterboxing with those DVD versions when playing them on a widescreen display though. I didn't for some reason. Maybe it was something with my setup that converted it correctly. I don't really know for sure.

Anyway, I remember people complaining that it was like he intentionally tried to make those theatrical discs as shitty as possible because he thinks the remakes are the only versions that should be watched by anybody now.
Post edited October 25, 2012 by KyleKatarn