>Still buying games from Bethesda
>2012

The original Doom 3 and the expansion packs being removed was unexpected.

Of course.

The point though is if you at all wanted them by now, you likely had them. That is a completely understandable point for 99% of the population.

But I still do disagree with removing them. I am guessing it was done to have one version of the game on sale so no one is confused, since the prices are roughly the same. I bet it comes back shortly with a clear title or something.

Looks more like "We know you will want the old shit, so we removed it, so you have to buy our new shit"

Removing the original Doom 3 wasn't what I would consider particularly shocking, most computers can handle the updated version anyways, but removing those expacs seems like a bit of a kick to the balzac.

They can, but ... Why? It's got much higher system requirements than Doom 3 and it looks precisely the same. So what's the point?

All right, it looks the same for vast majority of people who are going to play it. I don't know how spread out 3D is in the US on personal computers, but as far as I know, there's only a very small number of people actively using it in the europe. Just from the sum of people that I know personally, 0 is actually using 3D on computer. However, 3 are playing Doom 3 modifications and I almost got a fourth one to get Doom 3 so he can play The Dark Mod, but ... Heh, we know how that turned out.

I'd actually have to fire up my disk copy and try it out against the new one (which I don't have), I have no doubt the old one can be souped up way beyond what it originally looked like (because id engines are awesome), but honestly BFG looked really good at PAX and that was on a 360 I think (at least I was playing with a 360 controller). Isn't it a new engine? If it is it might have even more room to grow than the original.

I can't speak to the mod thing or even if there might have been a decent reason for it... but I'm having a little bit of a hard time feeling sorry for anyone who wanted "classic" Doom 3 and somehow didn't manage to get it by now. It's 8 years old, let that sink in, 8 years old, it actually landed in bargain bins because they still existed back then. It later landed on DD stores and went on sale, over and over and over again. It showed up in packs, where you'd get it just for paying a few bucks to get a good deal on another game (alright, the game was probably RAGE and we know it sucked and all...).

I just don't get the anger on this one. Who the fuck doesn't have the original of this game that deeply, deeply wanted it? And to those handful that have a straight up legit reason for it, go torrent it, seriously. Wait until BFG is in the same price range and pay id back by either buying it or simply pre-order whatever id's next game is (whether you deeply want it to not) because that's the biggest boon you could give them.

BFG is on id tech 5, whereas the original was id tech 4. That's why mod compatibility is broken. Currently, however, id tech 5 is still Zenimax's in-house engine, so modding on it is understandably extremely limited.

Personally my anger over the issue isn't "I wanted Doom 3 but I can't get it anymore," but rather "Horey sheet these guys are the greediest fuckers on the planet!"

Why? Really, honestly, do you think they're twirling their mustaches because they actually thought there was a horde of people lined up to buy classic Doom 3, inexplicably after D3 BFG released and they think they've forced them to all pony up much, much more (instead of waiting to get it for like 5 dollars during Christmas, call me Nostradamus when it happens)?

I really think it's much, much simpler than that:
1) Supporting a single version, the version of the game most of the developers know best, on the platform they know best, which is newer and probably has an easier to work with toolset.
2) Reduce consumer confusion.

I really think people are jumping to an illogical conclusion on this one... If people hadn't paid 3-6 bucks for Doom 3 yet there's no way in hell they're going to suddenly pay 40 dollars for the "super-duper" version. BethSoft and id both know that.

Good news everyone (happy bump!)

Doom 3 is back, it's now $10. (From $20)

RoE is back, it's now $5. (From $10 iirc)

The DOOM 3 pack is available for $12.99.

Ultimate DOOM, DOOM 2 are now $5. Final DOOM is back on sale, also for $5. (All from $10)

Unfortunately, Master Levels is still left out in the cold. I hope they choose to sell it again. Also, it's interesting (and awesome) to see the games get a price reduction.

Wow! They're back, and not horribly overpriced anymore! :D

Cool that's a relief.