Posted January 07, 2010
I may not always be right, but as Valve Corporation President Gabe Newell also stated "most DRM strategies are just dumb" and also “Making greater value for customers through service value”. They worked on it with Steam however they will never appease everyone and they also should realize that.
A business does not need everyone on board or to sell to everyone and that is fine. But if they provide a service or product enough people want without a feature and are unwilling to provide it they should either accept that it will be stolen or not make it in the first place.
If you want to get into DMCA we can go there. When we crack our way into a terrorists computer breaking Adobe, or any form of Security measure that may have been used. Yet we do not arrest federal agents. Strange a company knows people will break it yet they make the software anyway.... knowing in fact they will have losses....
The 10 year from now thing is a valid point, people have spent thousands on Steam, and if one day it goes belly up well their rental period is over. Case in point MLB games bought prior to 2006 will not work after 2007. Goodbye Red Sox 2004 World Series Games. Boy wanna talk about pissed off people, Sure I have another copy and now it is a hard copy the fact remains I paid for a product the rights to watch those games and yet they pulled those rights like that.
Zune with plays for sure. There are other examples, quite a few, but why name them all. If I bought a song from MS pre Zune that came with plays for sure (drm) and their own MP3 player will not play it wtf really? I had a library of 10,000 songs that would not work with Zune, so I broke the DRM on those songs so I could load my Mp3 player with MUSIC I PURCHASED.
Kinda funny 300 million people in the US, yet a company expects the rest of the 6.3 Billion people in the world to follow the rules and regulations that are given by the US.
Quite odd indeed a company makes a product people want it, the same people who want it yet cant get it for whatever reason (regional issues, online activation, DRM, to expensive whatever).
As for games that did not get cracked, ok one game made it to the year mark and yet how many games get leaked pre the game going public? As I stare at my copy of FF13 for PS3 wondering if I should wait for the release or go ahead and start playing...
Q Games sent me a disc with all of their games on it because my internet connection was having issues staying connected for more then 10 minutes. I explained to them shit happens here and had I known I would have had this much trouble actually downloading games I bought I would not have bought them, they said they understood and could send me a copy. They sent me a disc with all their games even the ones I didn’t buy, the ones I did not buy were demo copies the full game on the disc but needed me to activate/buy them in order to play them beyond the demo portion. So I bought them, all of them, a company that would support me is a company worth supporting imo.
I sent GoG an Email in 2008 asking if they would sell discs because at the time I did not have internet on my personal computer they replied basically that they were Digital Download only, but sent me a couple links of places I could find disc copies of games they had. Here it is a year and some change later and here I am, buying their games. Their downloader provided does not jack up the download when my internet goes out, they have answered all my questions in a timely manner. They have me as a customer for the simple fact they as a company said “Damn dude that blows, we can not help ya there but here is a couple of options you have, sorry…” (that is not exactly what was sent to me lol but that was the basics of it)
If I want to fly first class somewhere which airline will I use the one who treats me like shit or the one who will bring me upstairs with the masseuse ...? Thank you Virgin Atlantic Air, thank you Qatar Airways, thank you Emirates.
EFF you Delta, Eff you Luftthansa who went on strike that caused me to get rerouted through Syria and Yemen of all freaking places. I mean nothing wrong with Yemen really... But WTF!? Yemen? Syria? They gave me first class after that, and tickets anywhere in the world they fly and yet I sold the tickets letting them know after spending time in a warzone the last thing I wanted to do was go to another country that wanted me dead.
Obviously people who are ignorant about how they should be treated as a consumer will take abuse from the company. Where as people who get out and realize they have options can utilize those said options. Sure the company can come after me, maybe they will send their lawyers to Baghdad and stop the Haji markets, but somehow I doubt this.
No im not calling anyone ignorant on here, im just saying blndly accepting this is the *way* things should be done is silly.
The FTC took this to heart, granted they have yet to do anything serious. Mary Engle, an FTC Acting Deputy Director "If your advertising giveth and your EULA taketh away," she said, "don't be surprised if the FTC comes calling." Back when they held a town hall on the matter.
Yes getting from point A to B is different then entertainment however there is more then one game company out there and so I have more then one option as to which I will use.
AIrlines are finally getting dealt with starting in April, Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood said airlines could be fined $27,500 per passenger for every violation of a new requirement that planes must return to the gates and allow passengers to go back into the terminal if the flight has been delayed for three hours
So next time I get shit service I can at least know that the company will be dealt with as they should. 27500 x 200 =5.5 Million bucks and that is not even a full flight..... Sure they could be fined up to that amount, which is like the Music companies wanting the full amount and that whole fiasco with I think it was Canada and the music companies there being sued but not wanting to pay the whole amount....
Anyway obviously you have no problem with DRM/Steam or anything else, and obviously I do. You will not change my opinion of this, nor will anything I said change your opinion and that is fine and dandy. We can agree to disagree.
A business does not need everyone on board or to sell to everyone and that is fine. But if they provide a service or product enough people want without a feature and are unwilling to provide it they should either accept that it will be stolen or not make it in the first place.
If you want to get into DMCA we can go there. When we crack our way into a terrorists computer breaking Adobe, or any form of Security measure that may have been used. Yet we do not arrest federal agents. Strange a company knows people will break it yet they make the software anyway.... knowing in fact they will have losses....
The 10 year from now thing is a valid point, people have spent thousands on Steam, and if one day it goes belly up well their rental period is over. Case in point MLB games bought prior to 2006 will not work after 2007. Goodbye Red Sox 2004 World Series Games. Boy wanna talk about pissed off people, Sure I have another copy and now it is a hard copy the fact remains I paid for a product the rights to watch those games and yet they pulled those rights like that.
Zune with plays for sure. There are other examples, quite a few, but why name them all. If I bought a song from MS pre Zune that came with plays for sure (drm) and their own MP3 player will not play it wtf really? I had a library of 10,000 songs that would not work with Zune, so I broke the DRM on those songs so I could load my Mp3 player with MUSIC I PURCHASED.
Kinda funny 300 million people in the US, yet a company expects the rest of the 6.3 Billion people in the world to follow the rules and regulations that are given by the US.
Quite odd indeed a company makes a product people want it, the same people who want it yet cant get it for whatever reason (regional issues, online activation, DRM, to expensive whatever).
As for games that did not get cracked, ok one game made it to the year mark and yet how many games get leaked pre the game going public? As I stare at my copy of FF13 for PS3 wondering if I should wait for the release or go ahead and start playing...
Q Games sent me a disc with all of their games on it because my internet connection was having issues staying connected for more then 10 minutes. I explained to them shit happens here and had I known I would have had this much trouble actually downloading games I bought I would not have bought them, they said they understood and could send me a copy. They sent me a disc with all their games even the ones I didn’t buy, the ones I did not buy were demo copies the full game on the disc but needed me to activate/buy them in order to play them beyond the demo portion. So I bought them, all of them, a company that would support me is a company worth supporting imo.
I sent GoG an Email in 2008 asking if they would sell discs because at the time I did not have internet on my personal computer they replied basically that they were Digital Download only, but sent me a couple links of places I could find disc copies of games they had. Here it is a year and some change later and here I am, buying their games. Their downloader provided does not jack up the download when my internet goes out, they have answered all my questions in a timely manner. They have me as a customer for the simple fact they as a company said “Damn dude that blows, we can not help ya there but here is a couple of options you have, sorry…” (that is not exactly what was sent to me lol but that was the basics of it)
If I want to fly first class somewhere which airline will I use the one who treats me like shit or the one who will bring me upstairs with the masseuse ...? Thank you Virgin Atlantic Air, thank you Qatar Airways, thank you Emirates.
EFF you Delta, Eff you Luftthansa who went on strike that caused me to get rerouted through Syria and Yemen of all freaking places. I mean nothing wrong with Yemen really... But WTF!? Yemen? Syria? They gave me first class after that, and tickets anywhere in the world they fly and yet I sold the tickets letting them know after spending time in a warzone the last thing I wanted to do was go to another country that wanted me dead.
Obviously people who are ignorant about how they should be treated as a consumer will take abuse from the company. Where as people who get out and realize they have options can utilize those said options. Sure the company can come after me, maybe they will send their lawyers to Baghdad and stop the Haji markets, but somehow I doubt this.
No im not calling anyone ignorant on here, im just saying blndly accepting this is the *way* things should be done is silly.
The FTC took this to heart, granted they have yet to do anything serious. Mary Engle, an FTC Acting Deputy Director "If your advertising giveth and your EULA taketh away," she said, "don't be surprised if the FTC comes calling." Back when they held a town hall on the matter.
Yes getting from point A to B is different then entertainment however there is more then one game company out there and so I have more then one option as to which I will use.
AIrlines are finally getting dealt with starting in April, Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood said airlines could be fined $27,500 per passenger for every violation of a new requirement that planes must return to the gates and allow passengers to go back into the terminal if the flight has been delayed for three hours
So next time I get shit service I can at least know that the company will be dealt with as they should. 27500 x 200 =5.5 Million bucks and that is not even a full flight..... Sure they could be fined up to that amount, which is like the Music companies wanting the full amount and that whole fiasco with I think it was Canada and the music companies there being sued but not wanting to pay the whole amount....
Anyway obviously you have no problem with DRM/Steam or anything else, and obviously I do. You will not change my opinion of this, nor will anything I said change your opinion and that is fine and dandy. We can agree to disagree.