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Posted November 17, 2013
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F4LL0UT: snip
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amok: Blame Daedalic who wants to sell it region restricted.

It has nothing to with the distributor.

edit - but I guess it is steam's fault that it is sold region resticted on other DD sites and physical retail also
This is along the line of arguing that "weapons don't kill people, other people do" I guess?

In my opinion, it is still Valve's business, Steam is their platform. If they would not allow and make regional pricing technically possible, there would be no regional pricing or DRM, or whatever Steam offers. It is their choice and of course those tools will be used if they are there. Steam is at least 50% responsible and of course also to be partly "blamed" for this.

Mind you, I do not have a big problem with regional pricing, as long as it does not get out of proportion, like it did with Daedelic's The Dark Eye - Memoria for example.
Post edited November 17, 2013 by Quasebarth
Posted November 17, 2013
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amok: Blame Daedalic who wants to sell it region restricted.

It has nothing to with the distributor.

edit - but I guess it is steam's fault that it is sold region resticted on other DD sites and physical retail also
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Quasebarth: This is along the line of arguing that "weapons don't kill people, other people do" I guess?

In my opinion, it is still Valve's business, Steam is their platform. If they would not allow and make regional pricing technically possible, there would be no regional pricing or DRM, or whatever Steam offers. It is their choice and of course those tools will be used if they are there. Steam is at least 50% responsible and of course also to be partly "blamed" for this.

Mind you, I do not have a big problem with regional pricing, as long as it does not get out of proportion, like it did with Daedelic's The Dark Eye - Memoria for example.
but it is sold so many places not steam....
Posted November 17, 2013
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Crosmando: You know, it's surprising to me seeing the Daedalic CEO or whoever that was at GOG's last conference which was streamed live, GOG gave their upcoming game Deponia 2 a big promotion, and now not so long later they have effectively given GOG the finger, they release their games on Steam first and if we get them it's weeks later (in the case of Memoria) or lately it's been almost four weeks since Goodbye Deponia launched on Steam and we haven't seen it here.

What's the deal? Did they expect to be selling millions of copies on a platform which is admittedly quite small compared to Steam? It rather pisses me off as someone who wants to play the final Deponia adventure without having to buy a DRM'ed version, not to mention Daedalic's upcoming RPG Blackguards which will probably launch a month behind Steam (if at all).

What is the deal.
The piracy excuse maybe... not that steam games are not pirated but gog games are released already without protection so they are prone to be more easily pirated that steam's... so that's why they try to milk the steam version for as long as possible before releasing it here (also more traffic on steam). I know it's a stupid excuse couse games get pirated regardless but if you think logically that's what a company might do... or shouldn't lol
Post edited November 17, 2013 by nadenitza
Posted November 17, 2013
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Quasebarth: This is along the line of arguing that "weapons don't kill people, other people do" I guess?

In my opinion, it is still Valve's business, Steam is their platform. If they would not allow and make regional pricing technically possible, there would be no regional pricing or DRM, or whatever Steam offers. It is their choice and of course those tools will be used if they are there. Steam is at least 50% responsible and of course also to be partly "blamed" for this.

Mind you, I do not have a big problem with regional pricing, as long as it does not get out of proportion, like it did with Daedelic's The Dark Eye - Memoria for example.
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amok: but it is sold so many places not steam....
So what, these others have the same choice to allow regional pricing or not, but with the slight difference that Valve/Steam is actually in a market position to enforce a system like GOG without having to fear to lose customers (in customers, I mean publishers as customers). If a service like Gamersgate, McGame or GreenmanGaming would pull a system like no-regional-prices or DRM-free-only, they would simply be put in the place that GOG is now and get releases later or never for many titles. Especially as long as most games require Steam these days anyway.
Post edited November 17, 2013 by Quasebarth
Posted November 17, 2013
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JKHSawyer: It's probably because of patches, and GOG takes longer when it comes to patches. Not long ago a Postal dev complained that GOG's method just isn't convenient to the developer when he tried to send GOG a patch for Postal 1 fixing game bugs. Postal 1 remains unpatched still.
Yeah, my feeling is that this has something to do with GOG, and patches are a good reason. A game usually gets patched a lot after release (tons of people playing it makes bugs surface), so if GOG is problematic in that respect it makes sense to postpone the release until the game is more bug free.

Another possibility is that the game, though sold DRM-free, isn't so by GOG standards, and for example collects gameplay stats.
Posted November 17, 2013
Daedalic doesn't "hate" us and they have been a fine business partner. Why do you guys think they hate us? Such a strong word to use.
Posted November 17, 2013
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JudasIscariot: Daedalic doesn't "hate" us and they have been a fine business partner. Why do you guys think they hate us? Such a strong word to use.
Of course they don't, the thread title seems to be exaggerating for the sake of attention hunting. Seems it worked in your case. ;-)

Anyway, I and others certainly can not look over the fact that Daedelic's latest releases were held back from GOG for quite some time at least. Again the reason behind it certainly is not hate and I still think that regional pricing is the most important factor for their decision to do this which I think is reasonable and logical for them.
I suppose even you guys at GOG do not know the "real" reason for this either, or do you?
Posted November 17, 2013
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JudasIscariot: Daedalic doesn't "hate" us and they have been a fine business partner. Why do you guys think they hate us? Such a strong word to use.
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Quasebarth: Of course they don't, the thread title seems to be exaggerating for the sake of attention hunting. Seems it worked in your case. ;-)

Anyway, I and others certainly can not look over the fact that Daedelic's latest releases were held back from GOG for quite some time at least. Again the reason behind it certainly is not hate and I still think that regional pricing is the most important factor for their decision to do this which I think is reasonable and logical for them.
I suppose even you guys at GOG do not know the "real" reason for this either, or do you?
We're not privy to internal policy over at Daedalic :)
Posted November 17, 2013
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JudasIscariot: Daedalic doesn't "hate" us and they have been a fine business partner. Why do you guys think they hate us? Such a strong word to use.
Because their game appeared elsewhere on DRM containing and DRM free stores before it will appear here. Would you see this as the behavior of a fine business partner?
Posted November 17, 2013
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JudasIscariot: Daedalic doesn't "hate" us and they have been a fine business partner. Why do you guys think they hate us? Such a strong word to use.
Another reason could be, that they still haven't released German versions for several of their games here (The Whispered World, Chains of Satinav, The Night of the Rabbit, Memoria), even though they all are available in German and DRM-free elsewhere.

That does look a lot like the users of GOG.com are second-rate customers for them.
Posted November 17, 2013
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JudasIscariot: Daedalic doesn't "hate" us and they have been a fine business partner. Why do you guys think they hate us? Such a strong word to use.
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Trilarion: Because their game appeared elsewhere on DRM containing and DRM free stores before it will appear here. Would you see this as the behavior of a fine business partner?
Again, we don't have any control in how they wish to sell their games :)
Posted November 17, 2013
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JudasIscariot: Again, we don't have any control in how they wish to sell their games :)
No, but the way they sell their games implies they hate us.
Posted November 17, 2013
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JudasIscariot: Again, we don't have any control in how they wish to sell their games :)
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Fesin: No, but the way they sell their games implies they hate us.
>implying

If you feel that way, why not ask them directly?
Posted November 17, 2013
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JudasIscariot: >implying

If you feel that way, why not ask them directly?
Somebody else already made a thread on their forums about it, and they haven''t answered in almost a month. No reason to believe it would be different if I made a thread about it.

Seems just like they want to avoid that topic.
Posted November 17, 2013
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Fesin: Another reason could be, that they still haven't released German versions for several of their games here (The Whispered World, Chains of Satinav, The Night of the Rabbit, Memoria), even though they all are available in German and DRM-free elsewhere.

That does look a lot like the users of GOG.com are second-rate customers for them.
Well The Whispered World got a German language update last week I think on GOG. The Night of the Rabbit, Memoria and Chains of Satinav on the other hand are, as far as I read, not German because Daedelic does not have the international publishing rights for German on these games. Send an angry letter to DeepSilver and/or Rondomedia concerning this matter.

I would not say they treat GOG second class, but they certainly wish to squeeze out every cent from regional prices as far as I see it. I can live with it, as long as I can be sure that their titles will appear here after a short while (even if the German language version comes even later). See it from the positive side of things, at least their games are cheaper for a German customer (and probably some others with twisted conversion rates) here on GOG than anywhere else.
Post edited November 17, 2013 by Quasebarth
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