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Posted June 02, 2013
No. If I was asked which entertainment company I would want to go under, Nintendo would be the furthest from being suggested.
Posted June 02, 2013
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Grargar: stop taking their games for granted (Mario and Zelda games are no longer the phenomenon they used to be)
Sales data say otherwise.
Posted June 02, 2013
No. Nintendo might be having problems with home consoles but they are still the best in making handhels. The 3DS is my second gaming device, after my gaming rig.
Posted June 02, 2013
No, I don't want to see Nintendo go away.

Actually, I'd like them to go the Sega route - drop doing consoles and put their games on ALL platforms (PC; and both Microsoft + Sony consoles).

To see Zelda and Mario on PC = would be awesome for me. :D
Post edited June 02, 2013 by MysterD
Posted June 02, 2013
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MysterD: Actually, I'd like them to go the Sega route - drop doing consoles and put their games on ALL platforms (PC; and both Microsoft + Sony consoles).
Yeah, because Sega improved a lot after dropping the hardware market, right? Just take a look at all the great games they made after the Dreamcast such as uhhhhh, hmmmmmmmmm, nevermind.

And i fail to see how the console market will benefit from Nintendo's demise. Look at all the crap the Xbox One is turning out to be. Look at all the always-online, blocking second-hand games models that Microsoft (and probably Sony, to a lesser extent) will follow. Right now Nintendo is undoubtely the ONLY console company without any kind of restrictive BS (EXCEPT for region locks, but this is far from being as bad as always-online and second-hand blocks) and that is focused on GAMES, not TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV, sports, sports, sports, NFL, NFL NFL NFL NFL, COD COD COD COD new dog model.

Nintendo is the only company right now that still respects basic consumer rights and didn't impose any kind of abusive restrictions. But people still want Microsoft with it's shitty model and arrogance to be the only player in the console market. The Wii U is the only "next-gen" console that will be DRM-free. Yet people want it to fail and let Sony and Microsoft with their restrictive draconian DRM to succeed. Go fucking figure why.
Posted June 02, 2013
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MysterD: Actually, I'd like them to go the Sega route - drop doing consoles and put their games on ALL platforms (PC; and both Microsoft + Sony consoles).
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Neobr10: Yeah, because Sega improved a lot after dropping the hardware market, right? Just take a look at all the great games they made after the Dreamcast such as uhhhhh, hmmmmmmmmm, nevermind.

And i fail to see how the console market will benefit from Nintendo's demise. Look at all the crap the Xbox One is turning out to be. Look at all the always-online, blocking second-hand games models that Microsoft (and probably Sony, to a lesser extent) will follow. Right now Nintendo is undoubtely the ONLY console company without any kind of restrictive BS (EXCEPT for region locks, but this is far from being as bad as always-online and second-hand blocks) and that is focused on GAMES, not TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV, sports, sports, sports, NFL, NFL NFL NFL NFL, COD COD COD COD new dog model.

Nintendo is the only company right now that still respects basic consumer rights and didn't impose any kind of abusive restrictions. But people still want Microsoft with it's shitty model and arrogance to be the only player in the console market. The Wii U is the only "next-gen" console that will be DRM-free. Yet people want it to fail and let Sony and Microsoft with their restrictive draconian DRM to succeed. Go fucking figure why.
I though Sony said there was no abuse of used games?
Posted June 02, 2013
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MysterD: Actually, I'd like them to go the Sega route - drop doing consoles and put their games on ALL platforms (PC; and both Microsoft + Sony consoles).
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Neobr10: Yeah, because Sega improved a lot after dropping the hardware market, right? Just take a look at all the great games they made after the Dreamcast such as uhhhhh, hmmmmmmmmm, nevermind.

And i fail to see how the console market will benefit from Nintendo's demise. Look at all the crap the Xbox One is turning out to be. Look at all the always-online, blocking second-hand games models that Microsoft (and probably Sony, to a lesser extent) will follow. Right now Nintendo is undoubtely the ONLY console company without any kind of restrictive BS (EXCEPT for region locks, but this is far from being as bad as always-online and second-hand blocks) and that is focused on GAMES, not TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV, sports, sports, sports, NFL, NFL NFL NFL NFL, COD COD COD COD new dog model.

Nintendo is the only company right now that still respects basic consumer rights and didn't impose any kind of abusive restrictions. But people still want Microsoft with it's shitty model and arrogance to be the only player in the console market. The Wii U is the only "next-gen" console that will be DRM-free. Yet people want it to fail and let Sony and Microsoft with their restrictive draconian DRM to succeed. Go fucking figure why.
Point well-taken about the XB1 and PS4 DRM BS and consumer rights. I'd rather Microsoft and Sony not go the DRM-route - but, that don't look like that's happening.

B/c I'm stricttly a PC gamer and I do believe games belong everywhere (PC and consoles), I'd rather Nintendo have their games everywhere. I do hope they so change their mind.

About Sega and their 1st/3rd party games - Binary Domain was severely underrated; Sonic Generations is pretty good; Alpha Protocol was also underrated; and they have Creative Assembly & Relic with them.
Posted June 02, 2013
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Elmofongo: I though Sony said there was no abuse of used games?
They didn't. They said that it's up to the publishers. They just won't force it like Microsoft will.

"PS4 will not require an always online connection and, it will not block the use of second hand titles. This was said back in February, by Sony Worldwide boss Shuhei Yoshida during a round table after the PS4 reveal. Kotaku also reported this back in February and again this week. Any DRM on used games will be left up to the publisher in question, according to Yoshida. Hope this clears everything up."

source:http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/01/ps4-wont-require-always-online-connection-and-wont-block-drm-yoshida/
Post edited June 02, 2013 by Neobr10
Posted June 02, 2013
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Grargar: stop taking their games for granted (Mario and Zelda games are no longer the phenomenon they used to be)
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Neobr10: Sales data say otherwise.
Nope, nope, nope. Sales data indicate that these games have fallen from grace a long time ago. Mario 3D Land might have sold 8-9 millions, but this is nothing compared to the 20 millions of Super Mario Bros 3, the 30 millions of New Super Mario Bros and the 25+ millions of New Super Mario Bros Wii. As for Zelda, Skyward Sword didn't even reach 4 millions, which is pathetic when compared to almost every other Zelda game.
Posted June 02, 2013
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MysterD: About Sega and their 1st/3rd party games - Binary Domain was severely underrated; Sonic Generations is pretty good; Alpha Protocol was also underrated; and they have Creative Assembly & Relic with them.
I agree that Binary Domain was pretty good, which isn't a surprise since it was developed by the theam that made Yakuza. Sonic Generations was a step in the right direction, but i'm a huge Sonic fan, i enjoy even the bad Sonic games (yes, i enjoyed Sonic 06). Alpha Protocol was made by Obsidian, Sega just published it, so it doesn't really count.

Sega does come up with good games every now and then, but it's a far cry from what it once was. There is still no recent Sega game up to the standard set by Jet Set Radio, Shenmue, Panzer Dragoon (especially Panzer Dragoon Saga), Shining Force, Phantasy Star, Vectorman, House of the Dead, Nights into Dreams and the list goes on.

Somehow, Sega lost it's "passion" when it went software-only. I really miss the old Sega. Sonic is the perfect example of how much Sega fell into mediocrity: the series went downhill after Sonic Adventure 2. Generations is a sign of recovery, though (if you forget the abysmal 3DS version, that is).
Posted June 02, 2013
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SirPrimalform: This criticism doesn't make any sense. Of the three current console manufacturers, Nintendo are arguably the only one that still creates machines that are just games consoles. Both Sony and Microsoft attempt to have their console as some kind of all-in-one media solution.
It might not be so bad as Sony/Microsoft, but a few of their choices with their consoles are pretty questionable. Was 3D even necessary for 3DS? I don't think so. It resulted in a terrible battery, which goes against the spirit of handheld gaming. The fact that you needed to be in a certain angle to properly enjoy the effect goes even more against its inclusion. Then there were things like the Circle Pad, which finished off any notions of handheld the 3DS might once had. But, it's OK. At least we can enjoy How to Train Your Dragon in 3D.

As for the Wii U, Nintendo tried the whole TV thing with their TVii before even Microsoft, but the biggest anti-gaming thing was easily the gamepad. Whereas the 3DS didn't care about a proper handheld experience, the Wii U doesn't seem to care about a proper home experience. Rather than invite the whole family to play the console, it instead reinforced the notion of "Hey, I'm gonna watch football. Turn off the console." And so we go, to enjoy our game all alone. This functionality is interesting, but I doubt it's worth the extra 100+ bucks that Nintendo is asking. Nintendo also has the strange notion that our TVs are an unnecessary evil which why it enforced this functionality.

In short, perhaps I should have said that what Nintendo has done is go against their legacy.
Posted June 02, 2013
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Grargar: Nope, nope, nope. Sales data indicate that these games have fallen from grace a long time ago. Mario 3D Land might have sold 8-9 millions, but this is nothing compared to the 20 millions of Super Mario Bros 3, the 30 millions of New Super Mario Bros and the 25+ millions of New Super Mario Bros Wii. As for Zelda, Skyward Sword didn't even reach 4 millions, which is pathetic when compared to almost every other Zelda game.
And since when NSMB is not a Mario game? I didn't even know 3D Land sold that much. That's close to COD numbers (if you consider one platform only, not total sales including every platform).
Posted June 03, 2013
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Neobr10: And since when NSMB is not a Mario game? I didn't even know 3D Land sold that much. That's close to COD numbers (if you consider one platform only, not total sales including every platform).
Umm, I DID mention New Super Mario Bros both for the DS and the Wii. Unless you meant New Super Mario Bros 2 and New Super Mario Bros U which sold respectively about 6 and 2 millions, which is pretty horrible when compared to their predecessors.

The best-selling Call of Duty games have sold nearly 30 millions across all platforms. If they suddenly drop to 15 millions, then eyebrows will be raised. In the same case, Mario 3D Land has sold 8-9 millions which will be negatively compared to previous games in the series.
Posted June 03, 2013
I'm not gonna read through 8 pages of Nintendo love/hate so I will reply to the OP only.

As someone who has received much gaming joy from the big N over the years, my feelings would be mixed.

No I don't want them to die because of all the fond memories they gave me.

But part of me wouldn't mind them dying because they are no longer what they used to be. They sold out several years ago. Better they die with dignity then for them to keep pedalling out some of the **** they have in recent years.
Posted June 03, 2013
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Neobr10: And since when NSMB is not a Mario game? I didn't even know 3D Land sold that much. That's close to COD numbers (if you consider one platform only, not total sales including every platform).
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Grargar: Umm, I DID mention New Super Mario Bros both for the DS and the Wii. Unless you meant New Super Mario Bros 2 and New Super Mario Bros U which sold respectively about 6 and 2 millions, which is pretty horrible when compared to their predecessors.
2 million may be low compared to previous titles, but it's still about 50% of all Wii U owners.
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