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michaelleung: Does anyone have Nick Griffin's address? Or do postmen not go to his house anymore?
I'm a big fan of following politics in countries where I have some sort of link to, and British politics trumps Canadian politics in every category.
Anyway, back to Mein Kampf. Anyone read the actual book before? Were you arrested? Did any old women faint when they saw what you were reading?
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Virama: Now THAT was tasteless.

Oh come on. You can't seriously think that people would approve of reading it in public.
Or would they? I'll have to do an "experiment" tomorrow.
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michaelleung: Does anyone have Nick Griffin's address? Or do postmen not go to his house anymore?

I'm sure it would be easy enough to acquire it through the internets. But I've never been tempted to look for it myself.
It does seem tasteless. Hate literature can be deemed illegal in Canada but, so far, Mein Kampf has not been banned. Although I have never read it and I doubt I ever will, the book does have historical significance and, if one is to read it, the subject should really be formally addressed in a structured classroom setting. I would think the danger with this project is that real life figures are represented as caricatures. It does not appear to be a faithful depiction of the actual content and cannot even be considered educational.
http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/167/136843-anime_hitler2_super.jpg
Post edited October 05, 2009 by Darling_Jimmy

Hah! That was almost cute.
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Miaghstir: Hah! That was almost cute.

And that is, exactly, my concern.
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Miaghstir: Hah! That was almost cute.
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Darling_Jimmy: And that is, exactly, my concern.

Well I have to say it's almost refreshing to have a CUTE Hitler, not the evil little fuck he's depicted as in just about every single other medium.
Look, we're adults. We've had "WWII and Hitler are/were evil and bad. BAD BAD BAD" shoved down our throats, ears and up our arses since we were born. WE KNOW. And if you think just because it's a "cute" picture it won't give you the gritty realism, then you're sadly mistaken.
Battle Royale 2 anyone?
I'm not saying it WON'T be cute, who knows, it's entirely up to the writer and illustrator to decide these things. Just keep an open mind eh?
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Darling_Jimmy: And that is, exactly, my concern.
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Virama: Well I have to say it's almost refreshing to have a CUTE Hitler, not the evil little fuck he's depicted as in just about every single other medium.
Look, we're adults. We've had "WWII and Hitler are/were evil and bad. BAD BAD BAD" shoved down our throats, ears and up our arses since we were born. WE KNOW. And if you think just because it's a "cute" picture it won't give you the gritty realism, then you're sadly mistaken.
Battle Royale 2 anyone?
I'm not saying it WON'T be cute, who knows, it's entirely up to the writer and illustrator to decide these things. Just keep an open mind eh?

Oh, you don't know? Battle Royale is a non-politically charged work of fiction.
Anyway, you are wrong. Not everyone is an adult. I don't even have reason to believe every adult is mature enough to handle this subject matter.
Post edited October 05, 2009 by Darling_Jimmy
Hitler isn't really a taboo persona here. He's often the brunt of jokes, impersonations and so forth (for example, see Adachi's Slow Step where the high school principle is guy nicknamed Hitler -- and intentionally dresses and acts the part, right down to the mustache).
And unlike some countries in the West, movies, books and even manga, in this case, are not going to cause mass outrage, they pretty much get released like any other movie and wind up forgotten soon there after. Perhaps it's because Hitler wasn't the enemy here, perhaps it's because the Japanese worry more about the bombs that were dropped on them by the US -- which in their eyes, did far more harm (to Japan) than Hitler.
Sure there are bound to be a lot of people in the West who would be enraged at the thought of this manga, but I bet those people are trying to quantify the actions of Japanese society with the norms for their own society -- a futile task given that societies are not the same.
Oh, you don't know? Battle Royale is a non-politically charged work of fiction.
The first certainly caused a lot of political outrage when it was released over here. And the second (inferior movie) was politically charged, starting with the destruction of the government building in Shinjuku and going into some rather poorly construed terrorist plot -- to be honest, it bored me so much I stopped paying attention.
I guess I better add that the Battle Royale comment in this post should not be taken too seriously, seeing that the films are set in a fictional alternate reality.
Post edited October 05, 2009 by bansama
anything manga is tasteless.
This thread shows a clear lack of offended up-tight germans.
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bansama: Hitler isn't really a taboo persona here. He's often the brunt of jokes, impersonations and so forth (for example, see Adachi's Slow Step where the high school principle is guy nicknamed Hitler -- and intentionally dresses and acts the part, right down to the mustache).
And unlike some countries in the West, movies, books and even manga, in this case, are not going to cause mass outrage, they pretty much get released like any other movie and wind up forgotten soon there after. Perhaps it's because Hitler wasn't the enemy here, perhaps it's because the Japanese worry more about the bombs that were dropped on them by the US -- which in their eyes, did far more harm (to Japan) than Hitler.
Sure there are bound to be a lot of people in the West who would be enraged at the thought of this manga, but I bet those people are trying to quantify the actions of Japanese society with the norms for their own society -- a futile task given that societies are not the same.

It just seems bizarre that would be the attitude of a country so ashamed of it's role in the war that the government censors history textbooks. Oh well, I am not enraged, only concerned.
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bansama: The first certainly caused a lot of political outrage when it was released over here. And the second (inferior movie) was politically charged, starting with the destruction of the government building in Shinjuku and going into some rather poorly construed terrorist plot -- to be honest, it bored me so much I stopped paying attention.
I guess I better add that the Battle Royale comment in this post should not be taken too seriously, seeing that the films are set in a fictional alternate reality.

Interesting. That is even more interesting than the movies. They were just so campy that I had not considered cultural subtext.
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stonebro: This thread shows a clear lack of offended up-tight germans.

Do you think we can import some?
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bansama: Hitler isn't really a taboo persona here. He's often the brunt of jokes, impersonations and so forth (for example, see Adachi's Slow Step where the high school principle is guy nicknamed Hitler -- and intentionally dresses and acts the part, right down to the mustache).
And unlike some countries in the West, movies, books and even manga, in this case, are not going to cause mass outrage, they pretty much get released like any other movie and wind up forgotten soon there after. Perhaps it's because Hitler wasn't the enemy here, perhaps it's because the Japanese worry more about the bombs that were dropped on them by the US -- which in their eyes, did far more harm (to Japan) than Hitler.
Sure there are bound to be a lot of people in the West who would be enraged at the thought of this manga, but I bet those people are trying to quantify the actions of Japanese society with the norms for their own society -- a futile task given that societies are not the same.
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Darling_Jimmy: It just seems bizarre that would be the attitude of a country so ashamed of it's role in the war that the government censors history textbooks. Oh well, I am not enraged, only concerned.

the censorship of school textbooks isn't really down to shame, it's mostly down to attempts by nationalists.
the whole political/cultural situation here is way too complex to fully understand. On the one hand there is some guilt from previous actions (where the japanese were much worse than the nazis), on the other hand they were the victims of the two nuclear bombs, which had a major impact on their psyches, but also they've done a pretty good job moving on from the war, but also they've done that in many ways by forgetting, but the massive upheaval in culture after the war has also left many young japanese rather without a place in the world. etc.. etc.. etc.. It all ends in a big mess i guess.
But other than the small groups of nutty nationalists, i don't see many young japanese being intrigued or corrupted by the works of hitler.
I also don't see them worrying about ethnic sensitivities in europe. Ethnic sensitivities aren't a big point in japan.
I've come to take it for granted that the Japanese are a strange and alien people (speaking as an American), and that applying conventional western standards of decency to them is just going to result in confusion.
So, no, it's not really tasteless, because it's from Japan, and Japan has a very weird pop culture.
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soulgrindr: Ethnic sensitivities aren't a big point in japan.

Just don't talk about the Ainu or the Burakumin.