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A good friend of mine vs. a train. The results were as to be expected.

I didn't really grieve much. As an atheist I know there is no afterlife. Therefore everything he ever was or will be was gone (Would have been a decent lawyer. Not good, but decent). On the other hand, for him everything is also over. The light is switched off and the existence is vanished. No life, no problem.

It was hard for his family though. And some of my friends took it pretty hard. But I never was very sentimental to start with.
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carnival73: In some instances I can understand, however, like those who suffer severe ongoing pain that cannot be cured - Such as back injury.
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F4LL0UT: Reminds me of my girlfriend's grandfather. I know him only from her stories but just hearing about him is always incredibly inspiring to me. He lost both his legs, to diabetes IIRC, when he was about seventy. A truly proud and tough guy. Instead of feeling sorry for himself he learned walking on two artificial legs (and not the scifi high tech kind). All he needed was crutches and a strong will. Of course one can be worse off, being fully paralyzed etc. but heck, that guy would have also learned to deal with that, to be happy and proud despite all that. People just tend to give up too easily, no matter whether they are sick or not.
There are many stories of blind men who can see better than men who have perfect vision. They relearn to take on the world through sonar, vibe and feeling (much like bats).

There are some nasty situations, however, such as the story that Metallica touched on "Johnny Got His Gun."
When i went to school long ago, i always feared getting harrassed by a group of bullies in my class. One of the two leaders seemed to have quite a lack of respect for other individuals, even the teachers.

Now fast forward to present time.

One day, the father of one of the other victims from my now former class, dropped by with a pc that needed to be serviced. While fixing it, he told me that that 'leader' of the old group of bullies had become an alcohol addict, and had died from alcohol poisoning.

While i find it very difficult to forgive the bully (for ruining 3 years of my life, with following psychic problems all the way to adulthood), my heart goes out to his parents. It must be one of the worst things for a parent to loose a son or a daughter.
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SimonG: A good friend of mine vs. a train. The results were as to be expected.

I didn't really grieve much. As an atheist I know there is no afterlife. Therefore everything he ever was or will be was gone (Would have been a decent lawyer. Not good, but decent). On the other hand, for him everything is also over. The light is switched off and the existence is vanished. No life, no problem.

It was hard for his family though. And some of my friends took it pretty hard. But I never was very sentimental to start with.
I've never considered afterlife 'punishment' for suicide other than the possibility that one might get to an 'other side' (of sorts) afterwards and feel like a real clod for running from a challenge they may have intentionally setup for themselves to begin with.
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carnival73: I've never considered afterlife 'punishment' for suicide other than the possibility that one might get to an 'other side' (of sorts) afterwards and feel like a real clod for running from a challenge they may have intentionally setup for themselves to begin with.
I consider the very idea that there is anything beyond death, positive or negative, ridiculous. It has nothing to do with some weird religious stigma that people who killed themselves have. When the brain stops working, its game over. No continues.
I did, two of my close friends. I have myself tried to as well. Isn't easy.
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carnival73: I've never considered afterlife 'punishment' for suicide other than the possibility that one might get to an 'other side' (of sorts) afterwards and feel like a real clod for running from a challenge they may have intentionally setup for themselves to begin with.
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SimonG: I consider the very idea that there is anything beyond death, positive or negative, ridiculous. It has nothing to do with some weird religious stigma that people who killed themselves have. When the brain stops working, its game over. No continues.
It's possible as well - Even if there is an external source energy driving us, all that was considered identifiable as a conscious individual may be lost along with the brain.
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SimonG: I consider the very idea that there is anything beyond death, positive or negative, ridiculous. It has nothing to do with some weird religious stigma that people who killed themselves have. When the brain stops working, its game over. No continues.
Being an agnostic I consider it stupid to consider the possibility ridiculous. :P
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F4LL0UT: Being an agnostic I consider it stupid to consider the possibility ridiculous. :P
The only problem this that you are the only one who can ever claim he was right.
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SimonG: I consider the very idea that there is anything beyond death, positive or negative, ridiculous. It has nothing to do with some weird religious stigma that people who killed themselves have. When the brain stops working, its game over. No continues.
Have you ever read some of the countless near death experiences?

People with the same mindset as yours, got quite a suprise while clinically dead, and even one person that have been blind since birth, have told that she suddenly could see her own dead body on the operating table as a third person.

I know it is a question about what to believe, since only a very little fraction of us have actually tried it.

You might want to take a closer look at www.nderf.org
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Solei: You might want to take a closer look at www.nderf.org
No I don't. I was once so drunk I could have sworn I saw a transformer. Doesn't mean I go looking for Megan Fox in my backyard.
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SimonG: I consider the very idea that there is anything beyond death, positive or negative, ridiculous. It has nothing to do with some weird religious stigma that people who killed themselves have. When the brain stops working, its game over. No continues.
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Solei: Have you ever read some of the countless near death experiences?

People with the same mindset as yours, got quite a suprise while clinically dead, and even one person that have been blind since birth, have told that she suddenly could see her own dead body on the operating table as a third person.

I know it is a question about what to believe, since only a very little fraction of us have actually tried it.

You might want to take a closer look at www.nderf.org
Did you know that ghosts also exist? It's true, I saw it in Ghostbusters with my own eyes. Undeniable facts just like this website.
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SimonG: I consider the very idea that there is anything beyond death, positive or negative, ridiculous. It has nothing to do with some weird religious stigma that people who killed themselves have. When the brain stops working, its game over. No continues.
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Solei: Have you ever read some of the countless near death experiences?

People with the same mindset as yours, got quite a suprise while clinically dead, and even one person that have been blind since birth, have told that she suddenly could see her own dead body on the operating table as a third person.

I know it is a question about what to believe, since only a very little fraction of us have actually tried it.

You might want to take a closer look at www.nderf.org
Near-death experiences do not prove after-life or something. There are a lot plausible scientific explanations for NDEs, see e.g. Wikipedia. And of course many NDE stories were simply made up.
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Solei: I know it is a question about what to believe
And also what we want to believe. When you're dying, I suppose you would be susceptible to the mindset that there was light at the end of the tunnel whether or not you had subscribed to such ideas before inserting seven grams of copper-jacketed lead into your skull at a considerable velocity.

@topic title: As far as I know, no. I probably know a few who have tried or considered, but I'm not such a close friend that I would probe them about it, partly because I don't want them to think this would define them as a person to me.
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SimonG: I consider the very idea that there is anything beyond death, positive or negative, ridiculous.
I consider the idea of being born ridiculous. Does that mean I don't exist? ;)
Post edited November 07, 2012 by Leroux