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twaitsfan: But Ghorpm, what I'm saying isn't an interpretation - you can't give a better rating then five stars. So lets say you give five stars to a game that's 81%. You then come across your all time favorite game. When you go to rate that game, it doesn't strike you as incorrect in some way to give it the same rating as the other one?
Like/Dislike system - You like a game that's 51%, then you come across your favorite game...
Bad, Maybe, Good system - You give Good to a 67% game, then you come across...
Percent system - You give 100% to a game, then you come across...

You shouldn't mix an absolute choice like favorite / non favorite with the more granular measurement.
And what does incorrect even mean in this context? The correct word would be indiscriminate, but then again you can discriminate in a variety of orthogonal axis.

But whatever.

For 5 star system I think the Amazon categories apply for most: Hate, Dislike, OK, Like, Love.
Maybe if you read them to mean that, you won't consider them to be incorrect ;)
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mondo84: In my mind it'd be more like the following to reflect what each word means in terms of overall "quality":

0-35% - 1 star
36-55% - 2 stars
56-70% - 3 stars
71-85% - 4 stars
86-100% - 5 stars
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Vestin: Percentages of WHAT? What are you counting?
That's why I went with descriptive terms - they're simple to grasp. Changing one number to another solves pretty much nothing, since we don't GET numbers to begin with. A "63% game" seems to convey SOMETHING about quality, but that only becomes understandable when translated into more human terms.
I agreed with you in my post.

I was saying that I wouldn't split ratings percentages evenly like he did because the descriptions of each star category don't align with 20% chunks in my mind. What other percentage could it be, other than a rating?

Again, I was agreeing with you and just providing additional thoughts on why stars work better than percentages in this case...
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Vestin: Percentages of WHAT? What are you counting?
That's a very good question, and hard to answer. I'm also using percentages in my ratings but I cannot give you a full explanation what they mean. It's very subjective and can be confusing for others, I'm first to admit that. I think scientific mind tends to compare a lot of things to numbers because it's easier for him/her to do so. But it's something which we may call "internal system rating" because it's very difficult to explain to anybody else how it actually works. At least it's so in my case. I also like to compare everything to colors but this is even more confusing so I rarely share those thoughts. For example Age of Wonders is a blue game for me while Giana Sisters is yellow. Does it make any sense to you? ;) I don't think so and yet it works perfectly for me ;)
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Vestin: Percentages of WHAT? What are you counting?
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Ghorpm: That's a very good question, and hard to answer. I'm also using percentages in my ratings but I cannot give you a full explanation what they mean. It's very subjective and can be confusing for others, I'm first to admit that. I think scientific mind tends to compare a lot of things to numbers because it's easier for him/her to do so. But it's something which we may call "internal system rating" because it's very difficult to explain to anybody else how it actually works. At least it's so in my case. I also like to compare everything to colors but this is even more confusing so I rarely share those thoughts. For example Age of Wonders is a blue game for me while Giana Sisters is yellow. Does it make any sense to you? ;) I don't think so and yet it works perfectly for me ;)
Color ratings? I love it! You are a genius, my friend. :)
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tinyE: They figured, what happens if we expand west? Do we name it Westerner Virginia? Even More West Virginia? Definitely NOT East Virginia?
"So West it's East" Virginia.
People should be more critical. I can very well enjoy a game, but still see its flaws and give it 3 stars.
The problem is also of psychological nature, because when you spend time and effort on something, your psyche tells you, this wasn't in vain, but actually something good, hence a lot of people giving biased ratings towards good after they put labour in.

Anyway, I also don't like that GOG doesn't take care of spammers.
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DeMignon: People should be more critical. I can very well enjoy a game, but still see its flaws and give it 3 stars.
The problem is also of psychological nature, because when you spend time and effort on something, your psyche tells you, this wasn't in vain, but actually something good, hence a lot of people giving biased ratings towards good after they put labour in.

Anyway, I also don't like that GOG doesn't take care of spammers.
We are talking about games here right?
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Ghorpm: I also like to compare everything to colors (...)
That's AWESOME :D!
Would Heroes 3 count as blue or purple? Or something else entirely?

As a side-note, I think I've come up with a solution to this numerical conundrum, although implementation and using such a system would be pretty quaint:
Imagine a 2D board with 5 "helper" zones that can be as small or large as we want. Zones are aligned vertically, with 1 at the bottom and 5 on top. When a person rates a game, it goes into the corresponding zone. If there are already games present in that zone, the person can choose to put it ABOVE (better), BELOW (worse) or ASIDE (comparable) of any title he chooses to. Hell - the zones could even be eliminated at some point or even never be there in the first place.
Given enough people and some clever number-crunching, we could calculate the global, transitive intuitions on what is "better"... except that this doesn't some the problem of incomparable titles, which your coloring methods seems to achieve.
Perhaps different categories should be rated separately, when applicable...? OTOH - we've already seen this approach in game reviews and it doesn't really work all that well :\. The last thing that comes to mind are some "tags", which reminds me of how Gamespot deals with the issue.
Meh. I guess personally solving something that has been troubling people for decades is harder than I have expected...
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tinyE: We are talking about games here right?
Right ;-) but the mechanism stays the same (cognitive dissonance).
Post edited August 02, 2013 by DeMignon
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DeMignon: when you spend time and effort on something, your psyche tells you, this wasn't in vain, but actually something good
Quite on the contrary, whenever I spend time on something, I eventually realize how pointless, awful and meaningless it all is, including life itself.
Then again - perhaps I'm in the minority ;P.
Post edited August 02, 2013 by Vestin
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twaitsfan: I think what you're saying is right: if people like a game they give it a really good rating. People don't want to have to wring their hands to determine whether one game is better than another. That's why the system is flawed and you end up with all games ending up rated from 3.5 stars and up.
No thats a false or premature conclusion or whatever the internet forum term for that is. Maybe the games have a high average because most games here are good.

You remind me of my school sports teacher who only gave me 14 out of 15 in tabletennis because we had some guy in the class who was in the national league or something. Even though I more than perfectly met the requirements of the class (I was in some league,too), I did not get the full rating. And if the world champion had been in the class, I would have gotten 13 and the other guy only 14. Does that seem right to you?
Post edited August 02, 2013 by jamotide
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DeMignon: when you spend time and effort on something, your psyche tells you, this wasn't in vain, but actually something good
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Vestin: Quite on the contrary, whenever I spend time on something, I eventually realize how pointless, awful and meaningless it all is, including life itself.
Then again - perhaps I'm in the minority ;P.
Quite possible. Generally people tend to shift opinions in a way that it goes along with the things they do. That can be quite absurd sometimes (e.g. one treats someone else bad and afterwards he tends to victim blaming).
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Ghorpm: I also like to compare everything to colors (...)
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Vestin: That's AWESOME :D!
Would Heroes 3 count as blue or purple? Or something else entirely?
It's not that easy because I gave you a simplified version with just one simple color and in my mind I'm usually thinking about more complex mixture of colors ;) But if we stick to the simple colors that HoMM 3 is definitely steel blue

EDIT: and it doesn't matter that there are a lot of steel weapons in the game. Alan Wake can be steel blue too!
Post edited August 02, 2013 by Ghorpm
One should also keep in mind that the average of user ratings tends to be better than it should be for the most part.
Why? You don't rate every game. There are a lot of games you are simple not interested in because you know you won't like them and they aren't even worth the effort to click some kind of dislike button. Therefor the average lacks a lot of low ratings.
It isn't the avarage of all peolpe it's the avarge of those who are interested enough to rate it. Obviously that group of people is more likely to enjoy whatever they are rating otherwise they wouldn't bother.

Yeah, i know the internet is full of people who love hanging around in comminitys just to tell them whatever the community is about sucks. But in the end they are outweighted by those enjoying that stuff.
Good point, I agree, it's also a sample problem of people who are actually rating.