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orcishgamer: Someone pointed this out to me earlier today: http://www.diablowiki.net/Diablo_3_console

That kind of makes the console version the superior version right now, at least to me (I know preferences will differ), couch co-op makes it even better.

To be clear, consoles have loads of dual analog stick ARPGs, many for 10 bucks or less. Diablo 3 it may be but what I have seen in the demo makes me feel it's not particularly more special than most of the generic ARPGs you could get for a fraction of the cost. I'd have to buy it and play it for awhile to see if my feelings held over the long term or if the social aspect of co-op made me feel differently.

I wish I could mod Torchlight 2 for the same, less loot but when it' drops it's better mechanic they put into the console version of D3. I tend to find this to be more fun, the inventory puzzle minigame was NEVER a fun part of Diablo games.

Hey man, at least I've managed to play the demo at this point;)

And really, as far as I can tell, D3 isn't bad at all, so much as it's not as special as I wish it was. All in all, that's not the doomsday pronouncement of suck some people are making it out to be.
As you said, the console version is clearly superior with things like offline mode and local co-op. Once the game releases on next gen consoles the graphics should be the same as the PC one on high, so the only advantage the PC one will have left is maybe getting expansions sooner.

Also as mentioned, the game doesn't feel special enough to put $60 down for. I played through the starter edition on PC and demo on my 360. There wasn't anything there to warrant spending that much for the game when I got Torchlight 2 at the beginning of the year for $15. As is this game is something I'll get for $20 when it drops or around $30 in a buy 2 get 1 free sale from Gamestop.
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DarrkPhoenix: However, it seems that many people don't find it particularly fun to grind for three months just to gear up enough to beat the game, and also don't find grinding the auction house to be much fun, so ultimately they just stop playing. It seems Blizzard prefers that they keep playing (and get their friends playing, and buy the upcoming expansion), so they're changing the mechanics to what they think will entice more people to play the game. Look, I get that you're angry that a mechanic you liked is being changed, but at this point you're not making any kind of rational argument that Blizzard made the wrong call, you're just venting your own personal frustration.
You are hilarious. You do not like the AH system an would rather grind it out, except that you... wouldn't?

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jamotide: Not really, I hated myself for playing that crap so much. Ever know how you have a warm and fuzzy feeling AFTER playing a great game like Fallout 2 for example? Well this was quite the opposite. But it's ok, I can blame my friends.
Haha. How is this life thing working out for you?

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orcishgamer: Hey man, at least I've managed to play the demo at this point;)

And really, as far as I can tell, D3 isn't bad at all, so much as it's not as special as I wish it was. All in all, that's not the doomsday pronouncement of suck some people are making it out to be.
It is ok. I feel somewhat disappointed because it could have been so much more. It is not a bad substitute to Diablo 2, but there is so much unrealised potential. Genuinely, it seems that the developer team never played Diablo 2, for example. Anyway, it sounds like the expansion will fix some of the glaring flaws.
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FraterPerdurabo: You are hilarious. You do not like the AH system an would rather grind it out, except that you... wouldn't?
As I mentioned in my first post directed at you, I never bought D3, so I don't have a horse in this race. I'm just giving voice to the sentiments I've most often heard expressed about the game. The comments I'd make in response to this are also covered in that first post, so I won't bother reiterating them here. At this point the only comment I'd make is that you might want to take a time out from this discussion and cool your head a bit, as you seem to be getting more worked up about this than is healthy.
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DarrkPhoenix: As I mentioned in my first post directed at you, I never bought D3, so I don't have a horse in this race. I'm just giving voice to the sentiments I've most often heard expressed about the game. The comments I'd make in response to this are also covered in that first post, so I won't bother reiterating them here. At this point the only comment I'd make is that you might want to take a time out from this discussion and cool your head a bit, as you seem to be getting more worked up about this than is healthy.
Let me get my bearings straight here. You are complaining about a video game that you have never played. You (or your friends) state that the game could not have been finished without using the auction house (or that it would have been too long of a process to 'finish' the game without sinking too many hours into the endgame). I, having actually played the game from the beginning to the end, would tell them that they are wrong. Can I say anything more?
I'm sure you could say quite a bit more, and would, given the opportunity, but I don't think any further discussion would be productive. At the end of the day a lot of people felt differently from you, and Blizzard made some changes to the game as a result. You can either try to understand and come to terms with this, or keep raging and raising your blood pressure over it. Your choice.
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orcishgamer: Hey man, at least I've managed to play the demo at this point;)

And really, as far as I can tell, D3 isn't bad at all, so much as it's not as special as I wish it was. All in all, that's not the doomsday pronouncement of suck some people are making it out to be.
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FraterPerdurabo: It is ok. I feel somewhat disappointed because it could have been so much more. It is not a bad substitute to Diablo 2, but there is so much unrealised potential. Genuinely, it seems that the developer team never played Diablo 2, for example. Anyway, it sounds like the expansion will fix some of the glaring flaws.
Given just how much better Throne of Baal made base D2, there's a lot of reason to hope for that. My only disappointment will likely be that the console DLC/expac will be much later than PC.
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FraterPerdurabo: So, at least concerning gameplay, shutting down the AH does not address any of your concerns and it will not have any effect other than, once again, leaving to community to self-regulate trading.
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FraterPerdurabo: And ok, let's admit that drops were adjusted to make up for the fact that there is no AH? No shit? Isn't that fucking obvious?
Make up your mind, will you? Either the AH does affect gameplay or it doesn't. You can't have it both ways.
Torchlight 3?
Hmmm... Diablo 3.
This thread just made me realised that I haven't bought or played Diablo 3. And I wonder why.

I was a huge fan of Diablo 2 and played it for countless hours. I was looking forward to Diablo 3 sooo much and then...
I knew had to wait a little with purchasing it as my poor old computer wasn't up to the task. But that's OK and completely normal for me. I'm always below the technical curve.
And when I was ready, nobody I knew was actually playing the game anymore. Instead they gifted me Torchlight 2 and we're all playing that now. Nobody seems to miss Diablo 3.

It's really strange how a game I was so excited for somehow completely dropped off my radar.
Wait for the expansion ... and see what your fellow goglodytes have to say about it then.
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Piranjade: It's really strange how a game I was so excited for somehow completely dropped off my radar.
Not so strange. The same thing happened to me and countless others. The whole "online singleplayer" was a huge dealbreaker for me, so I wanted to at least wait until I heard what my friends said about it. Then there were the huge launch problems, and what I heard from people who played it was that it was "okay". So I said "meh" and moved on to other things. A pity, because I've also put a LOT of hours into Diablo 2.
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Piranjade: I was a huge fan of Diablo 2 and played it for countless hours. I was looking forward to Diablo 3 sooo much and then...
It's really strange how a game I was so excited for somehow completely dropped off my radar.
lol, the same story for many of us so you're not alone . . =)
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orcishgamer: Given just how much better Throne of Baal made base D2
:D

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FraterPerdurabo: You (or your friends) state that the game could not have been finished without using the auction house (or that it would have been too long of a process to 'finish' the game without sinking too many hours into the endgame). I, having actually played the game from the beginning to the end, would tell them that they are wrong. Can I say anything more?
Yeah, just one more clarification. Did you ever utilize the auction house?
Post edited September 23, 2013 by timppu
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orcishgamer: That kind of makes the console version the superior version right now, at least to me (I know preferences will differ), couch co-op makes it even better.
Yeah, the console version is definitely the superior version with offline singleplayer and local coop (which should be REALLY fun).
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Neobr10: ...local coop (which should be REALLY fun).
Confirmed. On Live you can even sign in and use your own character via cloud save. It's pretty much exactly how you'd want it to work.