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Posted June 17, 2014
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HijacK: When was that? I may have been around. I'm not sure. Do you have a link? O_O
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Grargar: You were around, but the thread seems to have been deleted.
Damn it! I want to reread that thread. Must have been on funny night.
Posted June 17, 2014
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Grargar: You were around, but the thread seems to have been deleted.
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HijacK: Damn it! I want to reread that thread. Must have been on funny night.
you could try the way back machine, if there's any hunch on the thread name + year/month.
Posted June 17, 2014
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HijacK: Damn it! I want to reread that thread. Must have been on funny night.
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iippo: you could try the way back machine, if there's any hunch on the thread name + year/month.
It's probably something before I took a break from GOG. Maybe winter or summer 2013.
Posted June 17, 2014
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Grargar: You were around, but the thread seems to have been deleted.
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HijacK: Damn it! I want to reread that thread. Must have been on funny night.
Yeah, there were some real gems alright. And while the thread seems to have been deleted indeed, there are 2 other threads from the same guy that, once again, praise the "wonders" of DRM. and [url=http://www.gog.com/forum/general/ready_steady_go_discussion_on_drm/page1]here.
Post edited June 17, 2014 by Grargar
Posted June 17, 2014
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HijacK: Damn it! I want to reread that thread. Must have been on funny night.
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Grargar: Yeah, there were some real gems alright. And while the thread seems to have been deleted indeed, there are 2 other threads from the same guy that, once again, praise the "wonders" of DRM. and [url=http://www.gog.com/forum/general/ready_steady_go_discussion_on_drm/page1]here.
That is way too much text to read right now, am I right in assuming he's the CEO of Starforce?
Posted June 17, 2014
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Smannesman: That is way too much text to read right now, am I right in assuming he's the CEO of Starforce?
I have no idea about that.
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iippo: you could try the way back machine, if there's any hunch on the thread name + year/month.
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HijacK: It's probably something before I took a break from GOG. Maybe winter or summer 2013.
No. It was around the time of the Witcher 3's preorder. The thread's name was called "Why I got a refund for my Witcher 3 preorder" or something like that.
Post edited June 17, 2014 by Grargar
Posted June 17, 2014
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Smannesman: That is way too much text to read right now, am I right in assuming he's the CEO of Starforce?
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Grargar: I have no idea about that.
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HijacK: It's probably something before I took a break from GOG. Maybe winter or summer 2013.
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Grargar: No. It was around the time of the Witcher 3's preorder. The thread's name was called "Why I got a refund for my Witcher 3 preorder" or something like that.
I'm wondering if he ever read any of the responses.
Posted June 17, 2014
It must be dead, I don't think GOG has had a release today.
Posted June 17, 2014
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SpaceManThe: It must be dead, I don't think GOG has had a release today.
GOG doesn't have releases during the big sales (aside from new games). Same thing happened on the Winter sale too.
Posted June 17, 2014
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SpaceManThe: It must be dead, I don't think GOG has had a release today.
We had one yesterday :)
Posted June 17, 2014
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UhuruNUru: snip
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HijacK: Do you even realize how dumb that sounds? So let me get this straight. Each generation sells more and more consoles and more and more video games, yet consoles are dying? I've heard elitist remarks before, but this one... this one is just too atrocious. I think people reached a point they just come up with stories out of their asses.
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Smannesman: Recreating out of manure.
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HijacK: That is true. I think I've read some of the biggest far fetched "facts" in this thread.
Popularity is irrelevant it's the technical capabilities that will matter in the end. I don't even think the companies will die, but consoles can't cope with 4k Monitors and / or VR.
The tech is dying just like other formats have died, because they simply can't use more power and remain "consoles", 64-bit and 1080p is taxing them to the limit now and they're only just released.
With 4K taking off neither console will produce the Res demanded by that tech.

Even Titans are taxed by 4k screens. Same goes for VR which is already moving up to 1080p for each eye and will increase that as soon as they can. Either of these techs is enough to kill the consoles alone, combined it's almost certain.

If they try to up the power they hit the same issues Steam hit with the SteamBox. Needing more power requires bigger case more cooling bigger GPU, they become a PC in all but name, with the price tag to go with it.
All the advantages of consoles are then lost. The disadvantages are all that remain, no ones going to pay same price as a high end PC and have all the restrictions of console gaming on top.
VCR's were very Popular until made obsolete by DVD's then Blue Ray.
Vinyl became CD's then MP3 players.
Popularity is fleeting and quicly vanishes, when the tech no longer manages to do what we require.

Predicting future trends is difficult and they may find a new type of power source, that changes the equation but as things stand now more power means PC kit and cost, can they sell that to you.
$1K to 2K priced consoles or same for an unrestricted PC.
Marketing and hype can sell the consoles but when the tech fails to meet the expectations raised. Raising them next time is much harder.

To convince me I'm wrong will take more than "popularity". Actual ways the lack of power can be overcome, just to start with, Steam tried and ended up with PC's. They spent much more time and effort, on this issue, than either you or I.

As to formatting my post, I see very few options (Italic, Bold, Underline and Link) no full Text Editor, sure I could use raw BBCode but there's no standard format, guessing is not a good idea and I can't preview the post to test at all.
Walls of text, well at least you didn't claim TLDR then comment anyway., now that is much worse, I've never understood this aversion to reading long posts. To cover such a topic properly takes more than a few words.
Post edited June 17, 2014 by UhuruNUru
Posted June 17, 2014
I'm not sure about the point on tech obsolescence. Simply adding more ones and zero to tech doesn't really make it necessarily better. Blu-Ray is just an upconverted higher res version of DVD. Still basically the same format. On that note, since when did optical media become obsolete? DVD still allows for movie, music, and gaming distribution. I've got both internal and external drives that have been reading DVDs and CD-Rs for years.

I think there's more to it than just waning popularity. We're 'convinced' by the powers that be to move to new formats because they are heavily vested in R&D and shareholders of big companies are very wary of tech stagnation... that still doesn't imply necessity. We're going into areas now because we choose to, not because the economy or innovation demands it. Want and need are two different things. If you're told by someone that your movie collection is out of date because of its format, you might want to look into what stocks that person owns.
Posted June 17, 2014
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SpaceManThe: It must be dead, I don't think GOG has had a release today.
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JudasIscariot: We had one yesterday :)
Plenty of time for PC gaming to have died again since then.
Posted June 17, 2014
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Emob78: I think PC gaming will be around for some time, but it has clearly changed, and I don't think most of those changes are for the better. As others have said here, DRM is a big problem. It offers nothing in terms of game features, it does nothing to help your computer run games or perform better, it only acts as a firewall against the kind of freedom that indies, gamers, and devs would like to take pc gaming. If Valve/Steam HAS become pc gaming as some have said, then it's just a matter of time before the pc gaming as we know it is a thing of the past. Valve clearly has intentions on 'consoling' pc games... they do after all now have their own console with their own version of console games.

On the other side of the spectrum is the kickstarter/indie genre which is exploding like never before. That is a good and bad thing. It's good because it shows that it isn't just the AAA developers that can make a good game... what we have is choice like never before. But we've also seen that many games are getting stuck in alpha and beta because indies run out of time, money, or just lose interest and walk away from their work. Having game land flooded with a sea of half finished indies and overblown software representing half baked ideas isn't a good thing at all. This is a bit similar to the Atari implosion of '84. The market was just too saturated by cheap, low quality Atari titles and people just stopped buying them. Expenditures far outspent income, and we all know what happens when an industry does that.

So yes, pc gaming will go for some time, probably a very long time. But the cracks in the armor are appearing, and unless we push away from restrictive DRM, unfinished indies, and over-saturated game stores, we're in for some trouble. Tech is also changing in a big way (tablets, Oculus, etc) and in the next few years I do think that the act of playing a game on a desktop or notebook with a mouse and keyboard will be seen very similarly to how we now think of someone playing Atari with a one-button controller. Still fun, yes. But an archaic way that is dying out. Give it one, maybe two generations and the mouse/keyboard will go the way of the horse and wagon that was replaced by the automobile. Unfortunately, every step we take with tech seems to limit growth and freedom on the part of the individual, and I think that is one of the worst sacrifices people are making for progress. Without freedom, progress is just another word displayed on the hamster wheel.
I more or less agree with you 90-95% or more overall. I don't think it's going to die but I do think it is going to transform over time as it has since it started decades ago and technologies change both on the software side and the hardware side. I think Linux will have more and more of an impact in the coming years on the PC gaming front and that Windows will have less and less, although when I say that I have no timeframes or year by year scale predictions per se. I do think Linux gaming will completely overtake Mac gaming in terms of game sale volume though if it hasn't already (but not in terms of general purpose mainstream computer desktop usage, just desktop gaming and desktop/appliance gaming such as SteamOS). Linux is probably the strongest voice of freedom out there in the world of software along with the entire rest of the open source ecosystem. If the right things happen, it very well could become a dominant piece of the puzzle, and it is more likely than many might like to think. As an example - there are probably more people using Android phones and tablets and similar devices out there than any other single alternative. Android is Linux and thus Linux dominates mobile platforms already. The only difference is due to branding and marketing most people don't see it or think of it as Linux, but as "Android". That's totally ok too as long as people are using Linux by whatever name it is marketed as. :)

SteamOS is a step in that direction also from the Valve front at least, and there may be other options out there branded differently in the future also. (GalaxyOS? Just throwing that out there...) :)

I wish I could see the future and fast forward 3 years to have a sneak peak at the hardware, OS and software side of things, I think it's going to be really exciting. Oh... and RIFT! Man... can't wait... :)
Posted June 17, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: I couldn't live without my tablet.
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F4LL0UT: Just a few years ago the only way one could have interpreted such a statement would be that you suffer from some serious condition and need to swallow tablets to live. Times sure have changed.
Mind you, being unable to live without a tablet is still a serious condition, unfortunately not one easily solved by swallowing some tablets.
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