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stix888: I'm saying that the gameplay sucks and people who like the witcher are basically people who dislike gameplay
Wow thanks for that quote it gave me a good laugh. You do realize that people may have liked The Witcher's gameplay? I assure you there is not a person who is a fan of The Witcher series, that "dislikes" gameplay.
Post edited April 07, 2012 by deshadow52
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mistermumbles: It's funny then how you keep going back to the ME games as your sterling example then, as those games are exactly that. Don't get me wrong, I had a great time with ME1-3, but it is exactly why they did so well: pandering to the masses. That isn't always a good thing though. Anyway, let's not kid ourselves. ME's combat has never been more than adequate at best. Oh, and the ME series has never been anything but shooters with heavy story-telling to me because it's so bare-bones that calling it an RPG is plain silly.
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stix888: Look mass effect games sell, way more then the witcher lets be honest here

http://www.1up.com/news/mass-effect-2-week-sales

I'm talking about games as a business and I'm saying part of the reason they're having piracy conniptions is because they think they made an awesome game and I'm saying 'it's just not that awesome and if you don't reach people like me who are gameplay first you will limit your audience'.

Mass effect hits the gameplay audience correctly whether you hate action games or not because action gamers are a bigger audience then rpg and that's a fact. So it totally makes sense since my letter is to them, not to you.

The combat in RPG's still sucks, I'm not saying they can't make games like the witcher. I was making suggestions in that they have to have games people want on their service or gamers like me will pass them by.

Everyone is out defending their games but I'm not talking to them, they can like CD projekts games. I'm saying that the gameplay sucks and people who like the witcher are basically people who dislike gameplay because they are story first kinds of people. They are really all about aesthetics and emotions over mechanics.
" The combat in RPG's still sucks"

If this is really your entire logic (as it has been so far). Then you might aswell lump every strategy, adventure, sim that includes combat into "games that are shit".

i'd much rather have gaming companies provide works of art that fit into niche audiences instead of mass produced shit fests to stroke the populations Mass Erect gaming apendages.

Mass Effect is the one of the most cinematic gaming RPG series out there, more so than the Witcher. So shut the fuck pseudo-intellectual.

GOG and CD Projekt are doing a fine job and are earning (rightly so) the respect of many.
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stix888: I'm saying that the gameplay sucks and people who like the witcher are basically people who dislike gameplay
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deshadow52: Wow thanks for that quote it gave me a good laugh. You do realize that people may have liked The Witcher's gameplay? I assure you there is not a person who is a fan of The Witcher series, that "dislikes" gameplay.
Well if you take out all the combat all you have is a navigation simulation and what basically amounts to a movie, that isn't gameplay. Gameplay are actions you can perform in the game world that have cause and effect and are interesting and have depth, without the combat/loot all you have is walking around. And conversational 'consequences' don't count since they're not something that have 'replayability'.

Compare the witcher vis a vis something like say civilization which you can play many times.
Post edited April 07, 2012 by stix888
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stix888: and people who like the witcher are basically people who dislike gameplay because they are story first kinds of people. They are really all about aesthetics and emotions over mechanics.
I don't know if you meant it as such, but this is an ad hominem generalization. There are people who like Witcher AND more gameplay-heavy games, variety being the spice of life and all that. Insulting the people you're trying to convince is not a tactic that can really be taken seriously.
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deshadow52: Wow thanks for that quote it gave me a good laugh. You do realize that people may have liked The Witcher's gameplay? I assure you there is not a person who is a fan of The Witcher series, that "dislikes" gameplay.
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stix888: Well if you take out all the combat all you have is a navigation simulation and what basically amounts to a movie, that isn't gameplay. Gameplay are actions you can perform in the game world that have cause and effect and are interesting and have depth, without the combat/loot all you have is walking around. And conversational 'consequences' don't count since they're not something that have 'replayability'.

Compare the witcher vis a vis something like say civilization which you can play many times.
Are you being serious? "Well if you take out all the combat"... well if you take out the game then all you have is a box with the words "The" and "Witcher" and "2" on it.

Gameplay doesn't have to mean just games with replayability and cause/effect. Gameplay is determined by how immersive the experience is. And The Witcher does that quite well.
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stix888: Look mass effect games sell, way more then the witcher lets be honest here
http://www.1up.com/news/mass-effect-2-week-sales
Well obviously. ME games have huge marketing, and both their story and gameplay are aimed at as broad audience as possible. The Witcher games, by their very concept, are not, and I won't like them half as much when they start to be.

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stix888: I'm talking about games as a business and I'm saying part of the reason they're having piracy conniptions is because they think they made an awesome game and I'm saying 'it's just not that awesome and if you don't reach people like me who are gameplay first you will limit your audience'.
No, they're having piracy problems because ALL PC-games are. Roughly 90% of copies of any popular game are pirated, both of ME and TW. It doesn't matter.

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stix888: Mass effect hits the gameplay audience correctly whether you hate action games or not because action gamers are a bigger audience then rpg and that's a fact. So it totally makes sense since my letter is to them, not to you.
Well guess what, I for one want to play an RPG with as little 'action part' as possible.

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stix888: The combat in RPG's still sucks, I'm not saying they can't make games like the witcher. I was making suggestions in that they have to have games people want on their service or gamers like me will pass them by.

Everyone is out defending their games but I'm not talking to them, they can like CD projekts games. I'm saying that the gameplay sucks and people who like the witcher are basically people who dislike gameplay because they are story first kinds of people. They are really all about aesthetics and emotions over mechanics.
Well of course they are, they are for people who care about aesthetics and emotions over mechanics, even thou you're horribly simplifying it. And as for gameplay, I liked first Witcher's not-so-actiony gameplay more than second's. And, as a matter of fact, I liked the gameplay of both.

There's a little thing you are missing - story, dialogue and decisions are a part of their gameplay, vital part at that. 'gameplay' doesn't necessarily need to be jumping around and chopping things up.

And for the last point, if you're not writing this to us, why on earth are you posting it on GOG discussion boards and don't contact CDP: Red directly?
To me an RPG has always been about how immersive it is. If i can relate to the characters and the background setting/story then thats the beginning. After that comes the world. If i can roam around and have the feeling that i am a character in the world of whatever it is and i have a purpose, then thats the second part.

After that it's all the bonuses like excellent side quests, random treasures etc.

For me the last recent memorable rpgs have been. Mass Effect 1, Dragon Age origins, The Witcher 1 & 2.

Mass Effect Rant as it's being used as an example - I loved the 1st one due to it was somthing different, new and tbh exciting. It was one of the few games i played from start to finish in a couple of days. The i pre-ordered ME2 collectors. Oh boy was i gutted. From all the different skills i had in ME1 i now had 4, yes 4!!. Thought i would soldier on to only realise that exploration and side quests were non exsisent. Then the nail in the coffin was if i decided to make a hard decision/renegade, my eyes glowed red, i was now the fricken terminator!! because i was a bad boy. Uninstalled and now have a 60quid paper weight.
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stix888: Compare the witcher vis a vis something like say civilization which you can play many times.
I played both Witcher 3 times. I played civilization once.
I sincerely fail to grasp the point OP is making...

what?

Or is this a troll thread?
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KneeTheCap: Or is this a troll thread?
Probably, but it's so much fun! :D