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Posted April 12, 2012
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Paingiver: It is confirmed but only with GFWL. A new petition already started for using Steam instead of GFWL
Why "instead of"? Don't many games have worst of both worlds, GFWL on top of Steam, or was this game not going to appear on Steam at all?

I wonder if we start seeing more and more silly petitions like this, when Windows Store in Win8 really gets going?
Posted April 12, 2012
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Verdan: Wow! What a great choice! GFWL or Steam? Whats the lesser evil?
Yeah, in some ways it's kinda like asking if you would rather have your fingernails or toenails pulled out.

But as I say, as long as the game doesn't use GFWL's DRM features, GFWL is certainly the lesser evil.
Posted April 12, 2012
Oh yeah, I'll add the mandatory "Another DRM discussion? Not again! Get over it already."-message.
Posted April 12, 2012
So here's how this is probably going to end up:

"Let's release Dark Souls for the PC since people have shown a interest and so there maybe a market for it and at the very least we can make up for the lack luster sales on the consoles but let's support GFWL since it's easier for us to use"

Game get's released people sees Games For Windows Live at the top and the majority of gamers go "Seriously GFWL? Well I was going to by this but forget it now. I had or heard *complaints here* on that POS "service", so I'll pass" game sales doesn't meet expectations and so Namco-Bandi go

"Okay no more games on the PC then since the PC market is obviously dead,full of pirates, or whatever generic excuses is made instead of what they did wrong"

and so the endless cycle continues with the publishers no more the wiser for their troubles with us only possibly losing more future releases from said publisher/developer.

Sigh well at least there's always Kickstarter projects and much smaller Indie releases till the big studios and publishers finally stop having their heads up their asses.
Posted April 12, 2012
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Stuff: Reading the comments on this article it seems there is speculation that GFWL will be used on the German or European releases only

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That doesn't make any sense at all, people are ready to believe the most senseless things just because of an "inconsistency" between the US and EU versions of the website.
The important detail that those persons seem to have omitted is that the US and Canadian versions of the game will be distributed digitally only, hence the absence of the game cover on the right.

Moreover, why would they do a version with and a version without GFWL? That would only complicate everything for no reason at all, and what would they use instead of GFWL anyway?
Steamworks? Then why not use it for everyone?
Their own multiplayer architecture? Very unlikely...
Posted April 12, 2012
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timppu: Why "instead of"? Don't many games have worst of both worlds, GFWL on top of Steam, or was this game not going to appear on Steam at all?

I wonder if we start seeing more and more silly petitions like this, when Windows Store in Win8 really gets going?
Hehe funny isn't it? They are ridding of one client for another. I guess people are accustomed too much to Steam that thinking it as only gaming solution. Clientless is not an option for them =)

Once i saw a thread about Skyrim discussing what kind of DRM Skyrim have. A guy wrote:

"Cheers! Skyrim will be Steam-only! Yehuuu!!!"

And i was waiting for bashing for response to that post, but when i saw celebrating and partying posts i have taken aback and left that place :)

One guy even said:

"We all know Steam is the best thing after bread and butter..."
Post edited April 12, 2012 by Paingiver
Posted April 12, 2012
"Wow! What a great choice! GFWL or Steam? Whats the lesser evil?

Guess I'll just wait till it appears here... "


My words exactly.

As i wrote elsewhere, nomatter how good a game is, its still a dealbreaker for me, if the software is tied to Steam, Origin or GFWL. Same thing with Mandatory activations, or non-mmo games that always have to be online (Blizzard's new games and Ubisoft anyone?)

Frankly i'm quite fed up with this, and have for a long time been voting with my wallet. Don't buy those locked-down games - and do not tell anyone about them, since such draconian software vendors don't deserve any free advertising whatsoever.

Yeah, i mentioned Ubisoft, but i do like that they have started to put their newer games up for sale here. I hope they get reasonable - and in time - decide to sell more games through gog.com.
Post edited April 12, 2012 by Solei
Posted April 12, 2012
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timppu: Why "instead of"? Don't many games have worst of both worlds, GFWL on top of Steam, or was this game not going to appear on Steam at all?

I wonder if we start seeing more and more silly petitions like this, when Windows Store in Win8 really gets going?
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Paingiver: Hehe funny isn't it? They are ridding of one client for another. I guess people are accustomed too much to Steam that thinking it as only gaming solution. Clientless is not an option for them =)

Once i saw a thread about Skyrim discussing what kind of DRM Skyrim have. A guy wrote:

"Cheers! Skyrim will be Steam-only! Yehuuu!!!"

And i was waiting for bashing for response to that post, but when i saw celebrating and partying posts i have taken aback and left that place :)

One guy even said:

"We all know Steam is the best thing after bread and butter..."
I agree with you on that, I mean any service where my games are tied to some silly client and allows them to revoke access to my games at anytime they feel like it it not something I will get all excited over. Not to mention it's pretty sad that this whole fanboy level obsession has now come to digital stores, I have seriously read posts from people refusing to buy The D&D Anthology collection when it was on sale on Gamersgate for around 5 or 7 dollars(don't recall the exact amount) because they were holding out on them coming to steam even though it may never happen or if it does it may not ever go on sale or go as low as it was on Gamersgate but who cares about that when all that matters is that it's on Staem(yeah intentionally misspelled) .

Personally I would want to see it no game released with GFWL or Steamworks support well outside of the version sold on that service.It's pretty stupid buying a game from place A or B but need to use Service C to play.
Posted April 12, 2012
I will get it. On day one. Just like I did with the console one. It is by far my favorite console game of last year, and it was my yearly "get one game full price" thing. I don't regret it for a second.

As long as it is sold on amazon, gamersgate or steam, I will be satisfied with it, I guess. I would have preferred steamworks, since that is DRM that provides useful services to the player as well. Better online matchmaking? That would be nice.
As long as it does not use gamespy, I guess.

Then again, one of the main reason I would've liked steamworks on it is steam cloud. It would've been pretty nice if one could continue the game on a laptop or something in the future (then again, the laptop itself would probably have to be very, very beefy to handle it, I guess?)
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Verdan: Wow! What a great choice! GFWL or Steam? Whats the lesser evil?
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jamyskis: Yeah, in some ways it's kinda like asking if you would rather have your fingernails or toenails pulled out.

But as I say, as long as the game doesn't use GFWL's DRM features, GFWL is certainly the lesser evil.
I would disagree since steamworks has not been reported to eat one's saves AS FAR AS I KNOW. GFWL has, in more than one game. That would be absolutely unacceptable for a game like Dark Souls. Both DRM platforms limit the user, but only one of them hinders the user in that way.
Post edited April 12, 2012 by Luisfius
Posted April 12, 2012
WTF? I had a bad experience with Fallout 3 and GFWL. I had to remove it with a tool to play it at all. Steam + GFWL = SHITPICKLE!
Post edited April 12, 2012 by mrmarioanonym
Posted April 12, 2012
Might as well not release at all.
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Fred_DM: i can only wonder why they decided to go with GfWL now that almost every publisher has abandoned it. WTF? GfWL is almost dead.
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StingingVelvet: Far from dead, look at AoE Online and Flight. If anything it is expanding.
So two games made by Microsoft is evidence of GFWL expanding?
Post edited April 12, 2012 by TheWhiteRose
Posted April 12, 2012
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DCT: So here's how this is probably going to end up:

"Let's release Dark Souls for the PC since people have shown a interest and so there maybe a market for it and at the very least we can make up for the lack luster sales on the consoles but let's support GFWL since it's easier for us to use"

Game get's released people sees Games For Windows Live at the top and the majority of gamers go "Seriously GFWL? Well I was going to by this but forget it now. I had or heard *complaints here* on that POS "service", so I'll pass" game sales doesn't meet expectations and so Namco-Bandi go

"Okay no more games on the PC then since the PC market is obviously dead,full of pirates, or whatever generic excuses is made instead of what they did wrong"

and so the endless cycle continues with the publishers no more the wiser for their troubles with us only possibly losing more future releases from said publisher/developer.

Sigh well at least there's always Kickstarter projects and much smaller Indie releases till the big studios and publishers finally stop having their heads up their asses.
DS made a good profit on consoles though, it's a success and so was the first one.

They have more then enough money to make another one. The port to pc will have minimal costs and a big profit margin, if it ever makes profit after this deadheaded decision to use GFWL.
Posted April 12, 2012
It is a torture for condemning players to use such things like GFWL. If i buy this game, i will instantly download the pirated version and play it instead.

Developers/Publishers -> Their earned money received(except the GFWL part)
Player -> Playing without hassle and freely.
Posted April 12, 2012
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DCT: So here's how this is probably going to end up:

"Let's release Dark Souls for the PC since people have shown a interest and so there maybe a market for it and at the very least we can make up for the lack luster sales on the consoles but let's support GFWL since it's easier for us to use"

Game get's released people sees Games For Windows Live at the top and the majority of gamers go "Seriously GFWL? Well I was going to by this but forget it now. I had or heard *complaints here* on that POS "service", so I'll pass" game sales doesn't meet expectations and so Namco-Bandi go

"Okay no more games on the PC then since the PC market is obviously dead,full of pirates, or whatever generic excuses is made instead of what they did wrong"

and so the endless cycle continues with the publishers no more the wiser for their troubles with us only possibly losing more future releases from said publisher/developer.

Sigh well at least there's always Kickstarter projects and much smaller Indie releases till the big studios and publishers finally stop having their heads up their asses.
That's the first thing I thought as well. No wonder they don't like the PC world if GFWL is the first thing that comes to mind. Way to 'prove' their own point.
Posted April 12, 2012
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Luisfius: As long as it is sold on amazon, gamersgate or steam, I will be satisfied with it, I guess. I would have preferred steamworks, since that is DRM that provides useful services to the player as well. Better online matchmaking? That would be nice.
As long as it does not use gamespy, I guess.

Then again, one of the main reason I would've liked steamworks on it is steam cloud. It would've been pretty nice if one could continue the game on a laptop or something in the future (then again, the laptop itself would probably have to be very, very beefy to handle it, I guess?)
This pretty much sums up my opinion. But so far, GFWL worked flawlessly for me. In Fallout 3 it was the disc check that screwed everything up for me.
Post edited April 12, 2012 by SimonG
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