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Coelocanth: That's a thing of beauty, isn't it?
Yes it is. lol I'm sitting here grinning like a five year that just nabbed cookies from the cookie jar without getting caught and I can't help myself.

Noticing something else remarkable about this, and this is very different even from that other super computer I had that got trashed by UPS.

This thing is so quiet I hear NOTHING. I mean I can't hear a THING. It's AMAZING. You wouldn't know it was even on except for cool looking blue LED fans (four). I can't believe how quiet it is.

As far building another, lol, I'm fine if I never do. But I will say this. I will never buy another one. If I end up needing one more before my days on this rock are over, then it too will be a self build.
Yay, well done!

Sounds like it went a lot smoother than my first build. I managed to pick a motherboard that didn't work with my graphics card, and when I bought a new motherboard it didn't work with my sound card... The joy of not researching your components... ;)
Well , congrats. Thus nothing lost in the end except a lot of your time...

Building a functionnal SLI as a first build was a serious challenge.
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OldFatGuy: This thing is so quiet I hear NOTHING. I mean I can't hear a THING. It's AMAZING. You wouldn't know it was even on except for cool looking blue LED fans (four). I can't believe how quiet it is.
And you can make it quieter still by lowering fan speeds, which is what I do when I'm not gaming (the PC sits about a foot away from me). Some fans have three-pin connectors, other have four; the fourth pin is used for fan speed control if I remember correctly. SpeedFan should be good for this if you deem it necessary.

Also, since you mentioned beer ads, cheers.
Enjoy your self-build computer!!
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DarrkPhoenix: Finally, some people enjoy tinkering with and optimizing hardware- doing this is an end in itself for such people. But for most people the hardware is just there to enable them to do whatever they actually want to do with the computer. Figure out whether you're the former or the latter type of person, and if you're the latter then stop worrying about the hardware so much and just start using it to do what you want to do.
This hit home for me, and I understand it, but since then I've been thinking and wondering if there isn't some happy middle.

For me, I just wish I could confirm that everything is running correctly now since it's entirely possible I missed a step I should've taken to "turn on" this feature or that feature, but then once confirmed it's working properly I would no longer worry about tinkering and stuff.

It's just sort of a one time deal of tinkering if you will, instead of having the tinkering be an end into itself (that I'm NOT interested in for sure, I want to use this for GAMING)

Is that unreasonable??? I ask because it seems as though the download speeds on this one are slower than they should be (a LOT slower actually, but that could've been that one site and not my hardware) AND, more imortantly, because I've been playing Fallout3 with this thing and actually have seen a couple of instances of frame rate slowing to just starting to get choppy. WTF??? I don't think there's any way possible that should happen with this rig. It shouldn't even break a sweat with one 560ti and with two it should laugh at Fallout 3. My last one did and it had a pair of 470's running in SLI mode.

Sorry again for the length. I'm horrible about that.

ADDED IN EDIT: Oh yeah, OT, but remember the "trouble" I had with the CPU cooler and how I wasn't sure it had made good contact?? I've been running the torture test on Prime 95 for about an hour now and the highest temp reading I've seen so far is one of the cores hit 62 briefly, most of the time with the CPU operating 100% the temps for all four cores are in the 56-59 degree range.

Should I worry any longer about my CPU cooler??? I have no idea if this is good, bad, or about normal.
Post edited May 28, 2012 by OldFatGuy
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OldFatGuy: more imortantly, because I've been playing Fallout3 with this thing and actually have seen a couple of instances of frame rate slowing to just starting to get choppy. WTF??? I don't think there's any way possible that should happen with this rig. It shouldn't even break a sweat with one 560ti and with two it should laugh at Fallout 3. My last one did and it had a pair of 470's running in SLI mode.
Welcome to the wonderful world of Micro stutter! Turn off SLI and watch your game feel smoother!

Yes Microstutter is a real problem happens commonly in all dual card systems (AMD less so but it still happens on their hardware too). Basicly what happens is a miss on rendering and the whole system grinds to a halt while its worked out between the cards dropping you to 1fps for about a 1/4 second at a time certain games this will happen a lot. If the special profile isn't working look online for one if you still can't find one that fixes it... turn off SLI for that game.
While I can understand the desired to try to confirm that everything is working properly, there are a couple of things to keep in mind. First, hardware these days is pretty good at auto-detecting what settings it should be using, so it's pretty rare to run into a case where hardware defaults to settings that gimps performance. Second, if there's a fault with hardware it almost always manifests itself with obvious errors (e.g. crashing, failure to POST, etc), not through something as innocuous as decreased performance. If part of your hardware is faulty you'll know it soon enough (although it can still be tricky to track down just which component is faulty in such cases). Finally, in the rare cases where there is an error that results in something subtle (like decreased performance) it can be incredibly difficult to even determine there's an error, let alone run down the source of the error- typically you just have to wait for the error to manifest as a larger problem. So while I can understand the desire to test and test at the beginning to make sure everything is working right, in practice the most you'll want to do is check the RAM for errors, check the harddrive for errors, then put some stress on the system. Anything beyond that and you'll probably not find anything and just waste a lot of time chasing ghosts (and causing yourself unnecessary anxiety). Take it from someone who went through the same thing with his first build and a couple of builds later now knows better.

That said, the most common source of errors you'll encounter with a computer are not hardware errors but software errors, and this is especially true for games. Some games don't play nice with multicore processors (requiring you to force them to run on a single core), others don't like SLI, some ingame settings (such as anti-aliasing) sometimes don't play nice with certain hardware setups, driver versions not playing nicely with games are the source of lots of problems, and so on. Fortunately if you have a problem chances are other people have had it as well, so if a particular game doesn't seem to be performing as well as you think it should the first thing to do is put your Google-fu to use and see if it's a known issue (hopefully with know solutions).

As for your CPU temperatures, 60 C under load is reasonable. Could you also post what your idle temps are, as the difference between idle and load can shed a lot of light on whether a cooling system is working well or if there's significant room for improvement.
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DarrkPhoenix: While I can understand the desired to try to confirm that everything is working properly, there are a couple of things to keep in mind. First, hardware these days is pretty good at auto-detecting what settings it should be using, so it's pretty rare to run into a case where hardware defaults to settings that gimps performance. Second, if there's a fault with hardware it almost always manifests itself with obvious errors (e.g. crashing, failure to POST, etc), not through something as innocuous as decreased performance. If part of your hardware is faulty you'll know it soon enough (although it can still be tricky to track down just which component is faulty in such cases). Finally, in the rare cases where there is an error that results in something subtle (like decreased performance) it can be incredibly difficult to even determine there's an error, let alone run down the source of the error- typically you just have to wait for the error to manifest as a larger problem. So while I can understand the desire to test and test at the beginning to make sure everything is working right, in practice the most you'll want to do is check the RAM for errors, check the harddrive for errors, then put some stress on the system. Anything beyond that and you'll probably not find anything and just waste a lot of time chasing ghosts (and causing yourself unnecessary anxiety). Take it from someone who went through the same thing with his first build and a couple of builds later now knows better.

That said, the most common source of errors you'll encounter with a computer are not hardware errors but software errors, and this is especially true for games. Some games don't play nice with multicore processors (requiring you to force them to run on a single core), others don't like SLI, some ingame settings (such as anti-aliasing) sometimes don't play nice with certain hardware setups, driver versions not playing nicely with games are the source of lots of problems, and so on. Fortunately if you have a problem chances are other people have had it as well, so if a particular game doesn't seem to be performing as well as you think it should the first thing to do is put your Google-fu to use and see if it's a known issue (hopefully with know solutions).

As for your CPU temperatures, 60 C under load is reasonable. Could you also post what your idle temps are, as the difference between idle and load can shed a lot of light on whether a cooling system is working well or if there's significant room for improvement.
What would normal load mean???

I will say this, as soon as I stop the Prime 95 torture test, it IMMEDIATELY drops from upper 50's to upper 20's.

But I guess that's no load, not normal load. And with games (the only thing I use this for lol) I can't see the temps on the taskbar.

BTW, the software I'm using for temp monitoring is caled "Core Temp 1.0 RC3" And this thing came with something called eSF, which it looks like is "Smart Fan" and even with the torture test running, the fan never changes speed. Is this something to worry about??? Although to be fair, looking at the graph, it appears the temp has never gotten far enough right on the temp for the jump in fan speed to occur.

I'm guessing (hoping) this means I can stop worrying about my CPU cooler "issue" or non-issue, as it were.

AND thank you so much for your advice Dark Phoenix. I truly value your words of wisdom.
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OldFatGuy: more imortantly, because I've been playing Fallout3 with this thing and actually have seen a couple of instances of frame rate slowing to just starting to get choppy. WTF??? I don't think there's any way possible that should happen with this rig. It shouldn't even break a sweat with one 560ti and with two it should laugh at Fallout 3. My last one did and it had a pair of 470's running in SLI mode.
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wodmarach: Welcome to the wonderful world of Micro stutter! Turn off SLI and watch your game feel smoother!

Yes Microstutter is a real problem happens commonly in all dual card systems (AMD less so but it still happens on their hardware too). Basicly what happens is a miss on rendering and the whole system grinds to a halt while its worked out between the cards dropping you to 1fps for about a 1/4 second at a time certain games this will happen a lot. If the special profile isn't working look online for one if you still can't find one that fixes it... turn off SLI for that game.
But my last rig was running SLI. And I don't remember ever seeing it in that rig. It was running two 470's in SLI mode.
Post edited May 28, 2012 by OldFatGuy
That seems to be normal temperatures. You can check it in this review for 3779k. Look at the normal clock that 24 at idle and 54 at work.

here
Post edited May 28, 2012 by klaattu
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klaattu: That seems to be normal temperatures. You can check it in this review for 3779k. Look at the normal clock that 24 at idle and 54 at work.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1924/8/
I don't get anything with that link, but it sounds like then that maybe my messing up putting the CPU cooler on right might have cost me about 5 degrees. That seems like something very reasonable that I shouldn't have to worry about to me. Unless someone knows otherwise, I think I'm gonna stop worrying about the cooler now.

Thanks for that info, even if the link didn't work LOL. You posted the numbers though and that's good enough. THANK YOU.

ADDED IN EDIT: OT, and I've asked before, never got an answer, and just want to ask one more time, and if I don't get one I'll assume it's ok. But I've been clicking the plus one for every post in this thread because I'm so appreciative of all the feedback. I'm just wondering if that might be violating some unspoken "rule" or norm. I've been a member since 2008, but never very active on the forum until recently so I don't know what any unwritten "understandings" are regarding what's ok and not ok in the community. It "seems" innocent enough, but I suppose some may say it's some sort of an attempt to get people to respond to my thread, or something. I dunno. Just wanna make sure it's cool with the community overall is what I'm saying.
Post edited May 28, 2012 by OldFatGuy
Now should be working
I think the difference of temperature can be caused by the cpu cooler. Which do you have?
Post edited May 28, 2012 by klaattu
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klaattu: Now should be working
I think the difference of temperature can be caused by the cpu cooler. Which do you have?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002G1YPH0/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00

And I had two issues with it:

1) It moves if my arm hits it. Like it may not be making good contact yet the screws are all tight and I messed up the first thermal paste thing because it moved so much.

2) The memory slots are just too close to the CPU slot on this particular motherboard for the fan to blow INTO the cooler as normal. So, I had to turn the fan around, and flip it on it's mounting, so that instead of the fan being on the front side of the case and blowing toward the rear, the fan is on the rear side of the CPU and pulling toward the rear.
Post edited May 28, 2012 by OldFatGuy
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OldFatGuy: I will say this, as soon as I stop the Prime 95 torture test, it IMMEDIATELY drops from upper 50's to upper 20's.
Then you're good. My idle temps are usually around the upper twenties to lower thirties mark, or mid-thirties during the summer.

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OldFatGuy: BTW, the software I'm using for temp monitoring is caled "Core Temp 1.0 RC3" And this thing came with something called eSF, which it looks like is "Smart Fan" and even with the torture test running, the fan never changes speed. Is this something to worry about???
I also use Core Temp and the sidebar gadget. Core Temp uses almost no processing power, so you can keep the sidebar gadget on at all times to show off (looks nicer than the rather basic Core Temp UI) and to see if something weird is going on: I once had some software issue (can't remember what, but nothing serious) that had the side effect of my processor load shooting up to eleven. Noticed it immediately.

When it comes to the fan, it's possible that it's running at full speed all the time. That's what my CPU cooler fans do, because they've got three-pin connectors and hence lack the fourth pin that controls fan speed. If you're worried, you could check the Internet for the speed your fan is designed to spin and compare it to what SpeedFan/similar tells you.

EDIT: Ninja'd!
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OldFatGuy: ADDED IN EDIT: OT, and I've asked before, never got an answer, and just want to ask one more time, and if I don't get one I'll assume it's ok. But I've been clicking the plus one for every post in this thread because I'm so appreciative of all the feedback. I'm just wondering if that might be violating some unspoken "rule" or norm.
It's downrating that annoys people - mostly those who are getting downrepped, but others too, probably because it's perceived as bullying or something. I can't imagine why you couldn't give plus ones to everyone if you feel like they deserve it.
Post edited May 28, 2012 by AlKim
The CPU temperature also depends on the ambient temperature.

And from this other fan review it seems your cooler (Cooler Master Hyper 212+ is about 2 degree hotter than the cooler they use in previous link reviewCorsair A70.
http://www.servethehome.com/cooler-master-hyper-212-evo-cpu-cooler-review/

So I think your temperatures are right