Yeah the last few posts have just gotten far too weird for me, we're about one step away from "the lizard aliens are controlling it all!".

All the truth i know is hard for all of you to grasp and there is no mystery about it since all what you believe today has been told to you by exactly our system today. And no there are no lizards, aliens etc.

The germans are controlled with the mass media and indoctrination this is far more important than government control. Just as i said, whoever controls the propaganda machine controls the government.

Why aren't there lizard or aliens? what makes those conspiracy theories any more outlandish than what you're currently on about?

Welcome to my world.

Seriously, you can dismiss these as theories, but you cannot dismis them as representations. And this is where they are genuinely interesting. See, from "my tradition" (I'd say, roughly, the european left), EU is now strongly dominated by Germany's economic and political hold, and its own short-sighted self-serving polities. And, beyond the self-accusations, the notion of a foreign power having too much weight in decisions that affect us locally is quite a standard semi-comfy explanation of any unsatisfactory situation. But when you're yourself german, or feel as belonging to the germanic world, you may have to find some other "foreign explanation". Here I get the german (or germanophone) version of it, a reversal of the "european left common sense", with Germany itself having lost control to some alien entity. It's quite interesting, and I'm curious about the forms and protagonists of this specific outlook.

So, I'm interested in having this worldview detailed a bit here.

Aye, now with the german soverignty topic we are at conspiracy theories.

But what I wrote earlier about the c-word, I do not think that is a conspiracy theory, every power system is anxious to remain in place, may it be a "democratic" government, a dictatorship or another organization. The WWW - social networks, flow of communication - has made it very difficult to keep and maintain opinions in an aligned direction. What we see now is the development of tools and means to keep control or do you really think the UK wants to install a filter to block the "harmful" porn media to protect the youth ? That is just another norm which once established is the plateau for the next step.

See, what I don't get is the nature and identity of your "them". Of your "those-who-control-propaganda" and benefit from it. Is it a specific community ? National (the USA), religious (the Jews), economic (all CEOs of big corporations), what ? How do you represent yourself the organisation of it, and their link or identity criterion ?

If he tells me the moon landing was faked I give up.

I give you a small hint look at the CEO of Goldman Sachs ^^.

Done. Lloyd Craig Blankfein. He is bald ? He is born in september ? He is born in the bronx ?

So, germany and the usa are controlled by the bronx ? By the virgo ? By bald people (hippies don't stand a chance) ?

Why are you trying to be cryptic ? Is that because there is no specific category (it's just a non-identified blurry "them" category), or because it's about judaism (making it a banal antisemitic worldview, which you know would be regarded badly here), or because accusing people in a too defined way is super dangerous ("he's onto us, get after him") ?

I'm just trying to get an idea of how you sort out and articulate our world and its situation. I'm not trying to assess your credibility or judge it, simply to have a clear view of what you mean and how you see the world.

This should be good. :D

One thing is important for the Americans: Just dont give up your guns or you are pretty much doomed...

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government" - Thomas Jefferson

People toss around "conspiracy" like it's an inherently negative word.

One shade of the definition of "conspire" is "to work in harmony toward a common end". Questions arise depending upon what that "common end" is, though, and if it's a "nice" outcome, people don't see themselves as conspirators, but technically, that's exactly what they are.

What is a lobbyist if not a conspirator? "You do this for us and we'll do that for you, and we'll both get some of what we want."

"You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours." A harmless colloquialism?

We apparently came to this country to be "free" from the tyranny of England, and all we had to do was pretty much intentionally decimate the indigenous population to do it. But of course the issue of control didn't go away, because there has always been those obsessed with power and money and having control over others. These days with all this wonderful technology they keep shoving down our throats, it just makes it easier.

Am I the only one who thinks the Cloud is complete and utter bollocks? "Wow, gee, you'll store all my important stuff for me? Here you go!" No thank you.

Beh, okay. From the lack of answer, the lack of denegation, and some key themes, I'm gonna assume it was just old school antisemitic theory (with "but they'll downrep/ban me if I say it"). I expected something a bit more fresh and exotic, this is not new enough to be really interesting, as an emerging representation. Oh well.

I'm not certain I understand your answer. I expected a specific answer to my question (instead of hints and change of subjects), and if you meant "you can't expect an answer from scared people" ("Welche Antwort erwarten Sie von mir, wenn man nur eine Sache in ihm hat"), then I didn't expect you to be scared of typing explicit precisions on a GOG forum.

If you actually meant "wenn Sie nur eine Sache in Ihnen haben", then I'm very confused.