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Potzato: I really don't understand why 50 people watching 7 billon is an issue ... do you really think your secrets are that important to them ? Of course I'm not the one 'paying' them for this kind of job, and the chance that my neighbour works at the NSA and have access to personnal stuff is very slight .....
Well,why did they want to keep it a secret then, why is Obummer prosecuting whistleblowers like Drake,Manning and Snowden then who expose illegal activities of the government if its not "an issue".
People are just whiners.

I mean, if you are not a criminal, if you have nothing to reproach yourself, then why should it bother you if I look at you while you shower ?
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Telika: People are just whiners.

I mean, if you are not a criminal, if you have nothing to reproach yourself, then why should it bother you if I look at you while you shower ?
Because I'd probably be charged with felony assault for the mental anguish caused to the NSA agent who was assigned to watch me naked.
There are people who value their privacy and people who don't.
I would suggest that people who don't value their privacy so much, should just allow the NSA et alii. to let them be searched, surveilied or even anal-probed if they fancy that stuff, but at least respect the people who like to keep their privacy or at least part of it.

While I think several dictators might be interested in such information and considering how much people are paying for googleadds and their info, the whole private information thing seems rather valuable. And I like to keep my valuables from being stolen by some foreign secret service agency.

Oh let me just quote Benjamin Franklin here:
Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither

— Benjamin Franklin
Post edited July 27, 2013 by Khadgar42
actually the problem is not with they are at all time monitoring or looking at your porn collections, but its more like in case of certain circumstances where you are standing up against corruption or some one wants to silence or buy you, they can probably do it with some information they have collected over the time. Money is not the only debt in this world, we will be in debt to them in some other way and they will use it to control you.
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Khadgar42: Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither
— Benjamin Franklin
That quote always makes face palm. Real hard.
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Khadgar42:
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F4LL0UT: That quote always makes face palm. Real hard.
How about this one,
"I know what it's called, but you're not supposed to blow."
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Potzato: I really don't understand why 50 people watching 7 billon is an issue ... do you really think your secrets are that important to them ? Of course I'm not the one 'paying' them for this kind of job, and the chance that my neighbour works at the NSA and have access to personnal stuff is very slight .....
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jamotide: Well,why did they want to keep it a secret then, why is Obummer prosecuting whistleblowers like Drake,Manning and Snowden then who expose illegal activities of the government if its not "an issue".
Well, I'm not discussing the fact that spying on people is a good thing, as I *implicitly* said it's a waste of money in my opinion. Then, on a personnal level I think people shouldn't care, and on a global level feeling offended is understandable but then what ? Whine a little and write articles in the newspapers, run a segment on tv for a week until people get bored ?
This is one of the reasons I loved Deus Ex, I laughed so hard at the Daedalus case.
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tinyE: Let them look at my information. A few hundred beaver shots and some game walkthroughs is all they'll find.
I managed to intercept a screen shot of the NSA spying on tinyE's computer. XD
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P1na: This is one of the reasons I loved Deus Ex, I laughed so hard at the Daedalus case.
What was it that caused it to be funny? I thought the Daedalus part was brilliant.
Post edited July 28, 2013 by Nirth
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Nirth: What was it about that caused it to be funny? I thought the Daedalus part was brilliant.
I mean I laughed at MJ12, not at the situation being absurd. In a "suck that, you got what you deserved" kinda way. I absolutely loved it.
Oddly enough, 6 out of circa 30 people answering this thread are americans, which are actually the only ones entitled to answer, as the NSA/CSS is an US organization. As much as we, europeans, can sympathize and empathize with what americans are going through -- or might eventually go through -- the fact is that our governments and our secret service organizations respect their citizens a lot more (or maybe they do everything in secrecy, if you're into conspiracy theories, which I'm not, unless we're talking the orwellian Xbox One) and said organizations are not above the law; if they went against citizen rights, they would have to face the consequences. Spying or monitoring every single individual is definitely against our rights, they're only entitled to monitor and watch suspects of crimes or "targeted" groups of people that are suspected of being into big embezzlement schemes, child pornography/snuff/abduction/human trafficking rings.

It's difficult to change this in the US, since your country seems to be corporation and lobby controlled. Not even politically or judicially, but economically (all countries are, but the US seem to be even more so). This means companies and lobbies and corporations are above the law and are given charte blanche to do whatever they please and, in fact, everyone seems to be below the NSA. I distinctly recall people standing by Microsoft when they came forth saying they do provide data to the NSA whenever they ask them to, because they "have to do so". Even if it goes against citizen's rights. That would never happen in Europe or with an european based company; if a secret service organization asks for private data, they'd better have a court order to substantiate it, or else they get nothing.
Well groze, I dont know what they are doing in Portugal, but in Germany we dont need to empathize because we are experiencing it, I think France can also answer, many countries in South America, and wherever else they spied.

And if anyone thinks they are spying in Columbia,Brazil and Venezuela to fight terrorists, you should turn off your corporate news.

@Potzato Well, there we disagree, I think we should care, demand our governments to stop supporting this crap and not forget about it.
Wanna know what I think?

Launch the nukes now. Put this shitty race out of its misery.