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Broad-brushing is what creates these problems, not solves them.
You know what else creates these problems? Dogma. Being so blinded by and dedicated to your side that you cannot see the truth. Which side has traditionally been against education? Which side attacks the DoE consistently? Which side tries to force religious textbooks into our science classrooms? Which side is Rick Santorum on? Rick perry? Michelle Bachman? Ron Paul? Which side opposed the civil rights movement in teh 1960s? Which side opposes gays and women's rights right now? How many 'Leftist' rallies can you point to where Liberals were holding signs that read "Niggur(SIC) go back to Kenya!" How many Liberals have made the claim that Barrack Obama was not born in the U.S.? Remember Conservative Democrats like Hillary Clinton do not count because they are NOT LIBERALS! Berni Sanders is a Liberal. Dennis Kucinich is a Liberal(with his own irrational beliefs).
I think you are mixing up "Liberals" with "Democrats".
And you've been broad-brushing all over the place to try to refute what I'm saying, which is that we need to look at each case individually, and that each person needs to be examined as an individual.
Yeah that is all fine and dandy but you cannot just ignore the massive and consistent racism and other bigotry coming from the Right guy. What you are doing is akin to someone in the NFL asserting that macho-attitudes and testosterone are no more common in the NFL than they are in women's tennis.
Instead, you're using that brush to say Conservatism leads to racism (it doesn't, at least not any more than Liberalism does),
I have never said such a thing and I would kindly ask you to use the quote function so you know exactly what I AM saying.
that Republicans are doing the mass-grouping of people (even though they're the ones calling for fact-finding in the Zimmerman-Martin incident instead of automatically branding it a racially-motivated killing as some of the racist left has done),
Some on the left(a good many in fact) DID do as you say in branding Zimmerman a racist(something still not strongly evidenced) but that is pretty irrelevant here. No one is saying that Conservatives are racist because they didn't rush to judgement in the Trayvon Martin case(even though they DID rush to judgement! Just not the same judgement that others were rushing to.). That 'Stand your ground' nonsense is one of those 'subtle racisms' of the Right(like the different sentencing guidelines for crack vs. powder cocaine). It doesn't state anything explicitly racist but we both know you won't be seeing a black man getting away with shooting a white man(even half-white) down in the street saying 'he felt threatened'.
that if someone identifies with a right or Conservative ideology then he or she is likely to be a gun-toting racist, possibly bent on violence.
MORE likely to be, yes. That is a fact. Hell your own POLLS reveal this! I have known several Conservatives who were not racist so I know it isn't everyone but for you to sit here and pretend this is not a major problem within the Conservative spectrum is just dishonest. Again, not all Conservatives are racist but all racists are Conservative is a pretty accurate synopsis.
Newsflash: this right-leaning libertarian atheist supports gay marriage, doesn't own a gun (though we're looking at it, for target sports), and is married to a Mexican. Broad-brush that.
Welcome to Liberalism. You are welcome here. ;)
Again, don't take the examples of the punditry and think that they represent the majority of those who lean right, just as I won't use Maher and Schultz, Maddow and Olbermann, Garofalo and Baldwin, and the absolutely racist Jackson and Sharpton to determine how "most" liberals / progressives think.
You can use most of those with no complaints from me. Garofalo, Olberman, Maddow...all great Liberals noted for their rationalism and unimpeachable grasp of the issues. Mahr is mostly Liberal(though like me he comes down on the Conservative side on some issues).
But what cracks me up here and betrays your extreme dogma is the fact that you compared a bunch of rational-thinking, sane individuals for the Left to the crazies such as Limbaugh, Fox News' pundits, the Tea-Party speakers etc.

The most important and grounding principle of Liberalism is that everyone deserves the same civil Liberties, regardless of class, race, gender, religion(or lack thereof) etc. You need at least that much in order to BE a Liberal. The driving principle exhibited by Conservatives these days is that most people do not deserve the same rights as white males. One small example was when that doctor/lawyer won his appeal with the 9th district circuit appeals court to have "In God We Trust" removed from the pledge. Liberals applauded this on principle because Christians should not get special mention or endorsement within the AMERICAN pledge of allegiance.
Conservatives went on a week long tirade over the matter.

And look at the various new voter registration laws being pushed by Republicans. Every one of them designed to discourage or prohibit blacks and young people from voting because most of them will vote for either Democrats or Liberals.
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SkeleTony: Again, not all Conservatives are racist but all racists are Conservative is a pretty accurate synopsis.
Wrong. There are racist blacks, whites, asians, hispanics, and Native Americans. You're saying every racist is Conservative. Think of the generalization you're making. I'm sure not every racist in the country is conservative.

That is, of course unless you're implying you have to be white to be a racist. Which just makes you look like an ass that hates white people.
Post edited April 10, 2012 by CymTyr
Oh boy.
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SkeleTony: Again, not all Conservatives are racist but all racists are Conservative is a pretty accurate synopsis.
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CymTyr: Wrong. There are racist blacks, whites, asians, hispanics, and Native Americans. You're saying every racist is Conservative. Think of the generalization you're making. I'm sure not every racist in the country is conservative.

That is, of course unless you're implying you have to be white to be a racist. Which just makes you look like an ass that hates white people.
1) No one said "every racist in the country is Conservative". AGAIN, I have stated the contrary numerous times here. Reading comprehension is a good thing.

2) While it is true that one can be a black or Asian or Hispanic racist(re: hate whites) and no one denies this, your point here is a bit off the mark because unless and until you cite a specific case, we cannot say that THOSE racists are not Conservative(and I would be heavily shocked if any of them were NOT!). Also you are hinting at or directly implying that all 'racisms' are equal. They are not. The BET network for example is not at all racist though I often hear Conservative apologists citing BET as an example of racist entertainment. BET is a response to the fact that for most of the last several decades all TV stations were basically "White Entertainment Television". And on top of that the people who have all the power in this country are still white men(though this is gradually changing in recent years) who can and do push through legislation that favors white men over other races and genders and blacks and Hispanics simply don't have that power(yet).

3) No, not every racist is Conservative. What I should have said was that every racist WHO VOTES is Conservative(with the possibility of VERY few exceptions). Most people in general are not interested in politics and could not tell you whether they are Liberal or Conservative.
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XmXFLUXmX: Looks like OP doesn't understand Conservatism at all, and is just spouting liberal talking points.

Typical.
Then you should be able to refute what I say right?
Post edited April 10, 2012 by SkeleTony
I love how the people who get the most huffed and puffed over politics, are the people who have the smallest influence on it. Why on earth anyone would get stressed, and waste time writing walls of text, about things they have no control over, is beyond me.
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SkeleTony: 1) No one said "every racist in the country is Conservative". AGAIN, I have stated the contrary numerous times here. Reading comprehension is a good thing.
No one except YOU, and I quote:

"all racists(by the usage we are employing here) ARE Conservative".

So please explain to me the blatant racism of the Reverends Jackson and Sharpton, and also the racism of our USAG Eric Holder, of all people. The friggin' Attorney General! You think those three vote Conservative?!?

Absurd.
This is really pretty easy.

Believe your 'side' is 100% right 100% of the time? You're a fucking moron.

Believe the other 'side' is 100% wrong 100% of the time? You're also a fucking moron.

Believe there are 'sides'? Again, fucking moron.
What a crock of shit.

EDIT: I've always wanted to say that.
Post edited April 11, 2012 by ovoon
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SkeleTony: MORE likely to be, yes. That is a fact. Hell your own POLLS reveal this! I have known several Conservatives who were not racist so I know it isn't everyone but for you to sit here and pretend this is not a major problem within the Conservative spectrum is just dishonest. Again, not all Conservatives are racist but all racists are Conservative is a pretty accurate synopsis.
Lots of leftists are racist/bigoted, too. Farrakhan, Hitler, all the Jew-bashing in the "Occupy" movement, etc.

That broad brush is too broad...

You can use most of those with no complaints from me. Garofalo, Olberman, Maddow...all great Liberals noted for their rationalism and unimpeachable grasp of the issues. Mahr is mostly Liberal(though like me he comes down on the Conservative side on some issues).
But what cracks me up here and betrays your extreme dogma is the fact that you compared a bunch of rational-thinking, sane individuals for the Left to the crazies such as Limbaugh, Fox News' pundits, the Tea-Party speakers etc.
Um, have you stopped to consider that the only reason you view those people are "rational-thinking, sane individuals" is because you, too are a liberal? Garafalo, Olberman, most of these people have said some crazy things far as I'm concerned...
Post edited April 11, 2012 by stoicsentry
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XmXFLUXmX: Also, to your first paragraph, 90% of the liberals I engage on the internet use vile, hate filled rhetoric, and believe in 9/11 conspiracies, so your point is moot.
Aside from the sheer absurdity of this statement, you're a fine one to accuse other people with the totality of your contributions basically being hate-filled rhetoric.

You're just like the rest of the nutjobs passing themselves off as "Christians". With all the Bible quotes you selectively pick and choose to justify your standpoint, you seem to forget or choose to ignore such fundamental ones as Matthew 7:3.
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stoicsentry: Lots of leftists are racist/bigoted, too...Hitler
Wow! Even I wasn't aware it gotten so bad in the US that people consider Hitler a "leftist."
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stoicsentry: Lots of leftists are racist/bigoted, too. Farrakhan, Hitler, all the Jew-bashing in the "Occupy" movement, etc.
I lol'd.

I'm guessing that you read a lot of the neo-con press then. Sure, in a movement as diverse as Occupy, you're going to get a lot of assholes, but the bashing for the most part was about Israel, not Jews. Jew-bashing and Israel-bashing are two entirely different things, yet neocons are completely unable to differentiate between them. You see Jewish people in Israel protesting against their government's actions, in fact Occupy has a movement actually in Israel made up of Israelis.

I heard some podcast from some neocon pundit claiming that these weren't Jews but socialist spies. That's how irrational and insane some of the far-right-wing get. I'll see if I can dig up that podcast again, but it's from a few years back.

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stoicsentry: Um, have you stopped to consider that the only reason you view those people are "rational-thinking, sane individuals" is because you, too are a liberal? Garafalo, Olberman, most of these people have said some crazy things far as I'm concerned...
Probably hard to believe for the nutjobs, but most of us actually respect the views of rational-thinking, sane individuals at the opposite end of the political spectrum. I'm a socialist, but that does not mean that I do not respect the valid points of view of some conservatives like Mitt Romney, however much I disagree with them, nor does it mean I'm one of the hardcore socialists out there who want nothing more to see capitalism burn.

Rationality stops and insanity starts when policy is being dictated by religious interests in a country of multiple religions and is set out by the most powerful interests representing a minority.
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stoicsentry: Lots of leftists are racist/bigoted, too...Hitler
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Darling_Jimmy: Wow! Even I wasn't aware it gotten so bad in the US that people consider Hitler a "leftist."
I may be wrong, but I think a lot of his ideologies were pretty traditionally left wing. Yes, he's the poster boy for right wing extremism, and we're taught that fascism its a right wing thing, but the fact is that it isn't. Hitler was a socialist, and socialism is a left wing ideology.
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MonstaMunch: I may be wrong, but I think a lot of his ideologies were pretty traditionally left wing. Yes, he's the poster boy for right wing extremism, and we're taught that fascism its a right wing thing, but the fact is that it isn't. Hitler was a socialist, and socialism is a left wing ideology.
Actually he was a national socialist, which is a different ideology altogether. The "socialist" element came from the heavy government intervention in private enterprise and the general aversion to free markets as a social issue, but the overall philosophy was definitely right-wing, especially in its social policy relating to racial purity and superiority. The philosophy inherently opposes progressive issues such as gender equality and homosexuality
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MonstaMunch: I may be wrong, but I think a lot of his ideologies were pretty traditionally left wing. Yes, he's the poster boy for right wing extremism, and we're taught that fascism its a right wing thing, but the fact is that it isn't. Hitler was a socialist, and socialism is a left wing ideology.
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jamyskis: Actually he was a national socialist, which is a different ideology altogether. The "socialist" element came from the heavy government intervention in private enterprise and the general aversion to free markets as a social issue, but the overall philosophy was definitely right-wing, especially in its social policy relating to racial purity and superiority. The philosophy inherently opposes progressive issues such as gender equality and homosexuality
Very progressive when it came to stuff like opposition to meat-eating and smoking, too.

Which is why lumping people into groups, painting such broad brushes as "all racists happen to be conservative" is a waste of time. It's just not true.
Post edited April 11, 2012 by stoicsentry