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Adzeth: zacattack458, you're not really anti-DRM. You're not really anti-DRM until you've tattooed anti-DRM sentiments on your forehead. You're just a hypocrite.
I happen to know that posting here requires that people remain connected to the Internet and authenticate on GOG's servers. Everyone here is a hypocrite, amirite ;P ?
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Adzeth: zacattack458, you're not really anti-DRM. You're not really anti-DRM until you've tattooed anti-DRM sentiments on your forehead. You're just a hypocrite.
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Vestin: I happen to know that posting here requires that people remain connected to the Internet and authenticate on GOG's servers. Everyone here is a hypocrite, amirite ;P ?
Oh no, my extreme views have led to the downfall of us all!
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timppu: Awww, that bolded part kinda watered down what you were apparently trying to say. :)
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amok: Does not change that fact that the 'revolution' is non-existing :)
Considering the talk about XBone, or several earlier cases with Ubisoft or EA where they reverted back from their earlier DRM plans, I would say lots of people seem to care about DRM.

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amok: And that Draconian is subjective.... So not quite sure what you are trying to say....
You basically said: "People don't care about DRM... except when they care about it.". Errr, right.

Yes, many people find installation caps, or always online, quite fine, while many others don't. I personally find e.g. multiplayer CD keys fine.
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This topic has run its course for me, before I go I want to say one more thing.
Everybody has different views on what Cd project(Gog) DRM free is, in my opinion it's in the fucking title DRM free.
Good night see you all around. You've all been good subjects on DRM(majority)
Post edited June 19, 2013 by zacattack458
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zacattack458: This topic has run its course for me, before I go I want to say one more thing.
Everybody has different views on what Cd project(Gog) DRM free is, in my opinion it's in the fucking title DRM free.
Good night see you all around. You've all been good subjects on DRM(majority)
Let me quote myself.

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JMich: I'm using an Enterprise copy of Windows 7 on one of my machines. The OS requires me to connect to my company's network (either by physically taking it there or through a VPN) so it can authenticate with the company's KMS server. The check isn't needed constantly, but often enough. So in essence, it works much as XBox One does. Online check to authenticate.
Should GOG not support Windows 7 Enterprise, even if it's almost the same as Windows 7 Ultimate? Or should they ignore the OS' authentication and simply not add something on top of it?
And why is Windows 7 Enterprise different from XBox One's authentication scheme?
Care to answer me this time?
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Bloodygoodgames: I should know, I'm in Thailand, which has some of the world's crappiest internet :)
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JMich: Damn it. I'm against crappy internet. Please stop supporting Thailand until it fixes its crappy internet. We can't go around supporting countries with crappy internet. No more service for them.
I don't want to support countries where there is even an option for crappy internet. And my phone's 3G connection sucks (my 100 Mbit/s fiber connection at home is nice though). I say we start forcing at least 1Gbit/s connections down everyone's throats, to all their devices that has any possibility whatsoever to get online (that includes GPRS-only "feature phones"), even if the only thing they do is check their email and facebook twice a week.
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zacattack458: I live in the middle of the outback, half then time I bearly get a connection
Then put another shrimp on the barbie!
Post edited June 19, 2013 by tfishell
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amok: And that Draconian is subjective.... So not quite sure what you are trying to say....
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timppu: You basically said: "People don't care about DRM... except when they care about it.". Errr, right.

Yes, many people find installation caps, or always online, quite fine, while many others don't. I personally find e.g. multiplayer CD keys fine.
And that is how people work. People do not care as long as it do not bother them. DRM in general do not bother them, so they do not care until extreme cases comes along ( From Dust and Sim City, comes to mind - but there is a reason why it was more of an uproar for Sim CIty that Diablo 3, even though they use more or less similar scheme)

There is no DRM-free revolution, only complaints if a single game do not work for some reason. If there where, we would not see Steam, Origin and all the other schemes, the game would not sell. They sell because people do not care.
Post edited June 19, 2013 by amok
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Bloodygoodgames: ROTFL -- my job is here. No choice really :)

Actually I think we JUST got 3G a couple of months ago after three corrupt Thai internet providers spent TWO YEARS arguing about which one was going to be able to get the rights to sell it.. Bloody pathetic isn't it????
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JMich: So even though you don't like it, you still use it. If I'm against crappy internet, should I refuse to service those that have crappy internet or still service them, even though those with better internet get better service?
I run websites for a living. Without the internet, crappy though it might be, I wouldn't be able to run them with NO internet. :) Like I said, I have no choice. CDPR, however, does have a choice. Don't sell the game on Xbox.

And hey, you can do what you want if that's what you believe in. The point is, CDPR says they believe in one thing and then do completely the opposite. Supporting the most DRM-stuffed and anti-gamer console on the market. I just thing it's weird.

And btw, as another example. I detest Steam. Detest detest detest Steam. I run a website on video games. Now, I could spend all day writing articles about Steam and Steam games and probably get 20 times the number of hits to my website because half the planet uses Steam.

But.....I'm not a hypocrite so the only time I ever mention Steam is if I tell my readers I'm not buying the game I'm talking about on Steam.
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JMich: So even though you don't like it, you still use it. If I'm against crappy internet, should I refuse to service those that have crappy internet or still service them, even though those with better internet get better service?
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Bloodygoodgames: I run websites for a living. Without the internet, crappy though it might be, I wouldn't be able to run them with NO internet. :) Like I said, I have no choice. CDPR, however, does have a choice. Don't sell the game on Xbox.

And hey, you can do what you want if that's what you believe in. The point is, CDPR says they believe in one thing and then do completely the opposite. Supporting the most DRM-stuffed and anti-gamer console on the market. I just thing it's weird.

And btw, as another example. I detest Steam. Detest detest detest Steam. I run a website on video games. Now, I could spend all day writing articles about Steam and Steam games and probably get 20 times the number of hits to my website because half the planet uses Steam.

But.....I'm not a hypocrite so the only time I ever mention Steam is if I tell my readers I'm not buying the game I'm talking about on Steam.
Side note - You are looking at your internet situation from a consumer view, and CDPR from a producer view...
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Bloodygoodgames: But.....I'm not a hypocrite so the only time I ever mention Steam is if I tell my readers I'm not buying the game I'm talking about on Steam.
Do you ask them not to buy it because it's on steam? Or do you think that if someone doesn't mind steam and is interested in the game he should be able to buy it on Steam?
That is what you are asking of CDP. If someone is using XBox One, they should not sell him The Witcher 3. They should tell him to get another platform.
Yes, XBox One does have some restrictions. Those restrictions are more than some people are willing to put up with. Why should they not cater to those that don't mind the restrictions? And as long as CDP isn't adding more restrictions, it's not against their No DRM policy.
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Bloodygoodgames: They ARE hypocritical.
They are business. They have ambitions. They offer their games without any restrictions. You, jamyskis and zacattack are making CDP to look like they are forcing people to play it with DRM. Nobody is forcing any person to buy closed console or using some bloatware. They don't have to. They can buy it for relatively open system and without DRM - which is the distribution channel strongly endorsed by CDP.

As for the suit, yes, it was a weird situation and I'm glad it raised some voices to the point CDP dropped it however DRM-free != supporting pirates. I agree with jamyskis that the problem was how they tracked these people.

I know it's trendy to bash Xbone and it makes people feel like white knights while they are buying Half-Life 2 with 75% discount on Steam but it's so freaking tiring to read. I would welcome at least a bit of judgement and introspection.

EDIT: I probably never said that but I admire your dedication to buy and play only DRM-free games, Bloodygoodgames.
Post edited June 19, 2013 by Mivas
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Crosmando: $$$
I don't mind, more money for CDprojeckt RED, more money means more opertunities to buy liscenses to old games like Grim Fandango :D
Hasn't anybody noticed yet, that OP is confusing GOG with CDProjekt RED? ;>
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Crosmando: $$$
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Elmofongo: I don't mind, more money for CDprojeckt RED, more money means more opertunities to buy liscenses to old games like Grim Fandango :D
More like more money to develop more games.

GoG should self finance these acquisitions, and CDPR should channel their money back into development. Other than that, yes - more money = good. I am a capitalist pigdog :)

(it does mean more money for more and ,hopefully, better games)