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ET3D: I think that console users are just used enough to them that they don't see the problems. I'm sure it's similar for the PC side. :)

I bought a 4GB Xbox 360 very recently (less than 2 months) and I still find it a hassle to use. For example at first I needed to create a profile and avatar, and now when I turn on the Xbox I have to choose the profile, and when I run games I often have to log into my account again, and then I have to choose whether I want to store things on the internal memory, the external Flash drive (which I had to buy because 4GB makes using the console a terrible hassle), or the cloud.

Just one example of a continual hassle that I don't experience on the PC.

So sure it's possible to say "the Wii U is simpler" or whatever, but as a general rule I think it's impossible to claim that consoles in general are a seamless experience.
And u still have to create an acc & log in in Steam to use ur games. I have a 4GB Xbox 360 and the only hassle using it is the XBLA,but u can always put in a 16GB flash drive just incase :)
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spinefarm: And u still have to create an acc & log in in Steam to use ur games. I have a 4GB Xbox 360 and the only hassle using it is the XBLA,but u can always put in a 16GB flash drive just incase :)
The last xbox live update increased it to 32GB, so using two you can have 64GB of relatively cheap storage now.
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ET3D: now when I turn on the Xbox I have to choose the profile, and when I run games I often have to log into my account again, and then I have to choose whether I want to store things on the internal memory, the external Flash drive (which I had to buy because 4GB makes using the console a terrible hassle), or the cloud.
First: why on earth did you buy the 4GB model!?
second: settings->profile->sign-in preferences ->Profile auto sign-in ON
Third: why did you turn OFF autosign in? seriously you had to choose for it NOT to be active on the first account made!
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spinefarm: And u still have to create an acc & log in in Steam to use ur games. I have a 4GB Xbox 360 and the only hassle using it is the XBLA,but u can always put in a 16GB flash drive just incase :)
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Fictionvision: The last xbox live update increased it to 32GB, so using two you can have 64GB of relatively cheap storage now.
o_O missed that part lol... guess i need to update now
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ET3D: now when I turn on the Xbox I have to choose the profile, and when I run games I often have to log into my account again, and then I have to choose whether I want to store things on the internal memory, the external Flash drive (which I had to buy because 4GB makes using the console a terrible hassle), or the cloud.
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wodmarach: First: why on earth did you buy the 4GB model!?
second: settings->profile->sign-in preferences ->Profile auto sign-in ON
Third: why did you turn OFF autosign in? seriously you had to choose for it NOT to be active on the first account made!
On first part I'm guessing - price diff outside US. In Bulgaria for example the diff was around 100 euros between both version when i bought mine Xbox
Post edited January 14, 2013 by spinefarm
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timppu: To me it would seem the CD and DVD based consoles break more easily than the old cartridge-based systems.
Yes, they do. More movable parts. I guess that's the price of progress.
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wodmarach: First: why on earth did you buy the 4GB model!?
second: settings->profile->sign-in preferences ->Profile auto sign-in ON
Third: why did you turn OFF autosign in? seriously you had to choose for it NOT to be active on the first account made!
First: I bought the Xbox for Kinect, and that's the model that came with Kinect. Cost $430 or so. I was told the Kinect isn't available separately.

Second: Thanks. Though given what I said in Third, would that work?

Third: I didn't. But it could be something that happened along the way. I first created a profile on the device, then realised it wasn't connected to my existing online profile (which I'm not sure what I had, but it does list a couple of Games for Windows Live games, so maybe because of that), so I logged in to that, and had no idea how I move the avatar I created to it, so now I have both a local and a Live account and I'm asked to choose.

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Fictionvision: The last xbox live update increased it to 32GB, so using two you can have 64GB of relatively cheap storage now.
Is it possible to have two 32GB drives? It wasn't clear from Microsoft's site. I bought a 16GB one because all the articles said that was the max, but then I read on Microsoft's site that 32GB is possible. However the page said something about 32GB being enough and otherwise buy a disk, so I assumed that meant only one USB disk is supported.
Post edited January 15, 2013 by ET3D
PC master race. But I 'discovered' Playstation consoles in 2011 and now 99% of my gaming is done on them -_- Because I sit by pc at work all day and when I come home I have no desire to continue doing that. Instead I lay in my armchair and and have sexi time with ps2 or ps3 games.
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ET3D: First: I bought the Xbox for Kinect, and that's the model that came with Kinect. Cost $430 or so. I was told the Kinect isn't available separately
They lied >.< even if you had to import it (which I doubt) kinect was released alone first the packs with it in came later.

The second I'd say set your online account as the auto login account it makes more sense unless you have kids around then set a child account as the login and pass phrase your adult account (it's a string of 3-6 joypad button presses)
I've been playing mostly on consoles my entire life, and after having purchased a bunch of games from GOG, I gotta say that to me it's more of a stark contrast than a comparison.

2 analogs, a digital pad, and 10 buttons vs. a boatload of keys and a mouse.

It feels almost bewildering reading a manual (like Deus Ex, for instance) and reading that most keys on the keyboard have a purpose in the game. It really allows for complexities that consoles can't do. Being the player/collector/enthusiast that I am, I find myself fascinated by what I've been missing.
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wodmarach: They lied >.< even if you had to import it (which I doubt) kinect was released alone first the packs with it in came later.
They didn't lie. It's possible to import a Kinect or buy it at the rare places who sell it (and probably import it themselves) but it's expensive, and if you import it you of course lose the chance of easily getting support if something is wrong.
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ET3D: Is it possible to have two 32GB drives? It wasn't clear from Microsoft's site. I bought a 16GB one because all the articles said that was the max, but then I read on Microsoft's site that 32GB is possible. However the page said something about 32GB being enough and otherwise buy a disk, so I assumed that meant only one USB disk is supported.
Should be, I don't have any 32gb flash drives, but I have a 16 and a 2 I use with my 360. They both work fine together in my 4gb 360 with a HD installed.

Here is a confirmation story that the update did happen and people are using 32gb drives. http://www.joystiq.com/2012/11/09/xbox-360-usb-data-storage-limit-doubled-to-32gb/
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Fictionvision: Should be, I don't have any 32gb flash drives, but I have a 16 and a 2 I use with my 360. They both work fine together in my 4gb 360 with a HD installed.
Thanks. I guess when space runs out on the 16GB drive I'll add a 32GB one.
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ET3D: ...
Just so you know, you can set your profile to auto-sign in when you log in. Or even set your XBox 360 to launch directly into the game disc whenever one is inserted or on boot up.

Profiles used to be a bit of a pain, but now they sync to the cloud and are all around pretty easy to utilize.

That 4GB drive would annoy the shit out of me, honestly, more than anything else.
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ET3D: Third: I didn't. But it could be something that happened along the way. I first created a profile on the device, then realised it wasn't connected to my existing online profile (which I'm not sure what I had, but it does list a couple of Games for Windows Live games, so maybe because of that), so I logged in to that, and had no idea how I move the avatar I created to it, so now I have both a local and a Live account and I'm asked to choose.
Just trash the local profile. You can copy all your game saves into your online profile (do that first!), you merely can't earn achievements for those saves.

Set the online profile to auto sign in. Online profiles also function as offline profiles.
Post edited January 18, 2013 by orcishgamer
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dmetras: I've been playing mostly on consoles my entire life, and after having purchased a bunch of games from GOG, I gotta say that to me it's more of a stark contrast than a comparison.
Until the Xbox they were really two completely different hobbies in a lot of ways. The genres tended to be very different, the target markets, the franchises. The Xbox dragged PC gaming genres, styles and franchises into the living room for a new audience and effectively merged two very different groups into one.
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dmetras: I've been playing mostly on consoles my entire life, and after having purchased a bunch of games from GOG, I gotta say that to me it's more of a stark contrast than a comparison.
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StingingVelvet: Until the Xbox they were really two completely different hobbies in a lot of ways. The genres tended to be very different, the target markets, the franchises. The Xbox dragged PC gaming genres, styles and franchises into the living room for a new audience and effectively merged two very different groups into one.
Which should have been a greater thing than it was, providing more choice for everybody, in reality it provided more choice for people like me and screwed PC gamers. Sorta wish we could have avoided the last bit.