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keeveek: when everybody else has to PAY FOR LIVING.
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Taleroth: Not really. Depends on how you choose to live. They have no choice.

The simple act of living is itself free in most civilized nations.
Free food, free houses, free social care, free schools. Yeah. Everything is for free. But my wallet is fu***** empty because of it's freenes.

Stop posting nonsense. Prisoners DO NOT PAY TAXES, they have NO RIGHT to use societys money.

They should work their asses off to repay their debt to society OR DIE.

And you know, prisoners HAD a choice. BEFORE they commited a f**** crime.
Post edited May 27, 2011 by keeveek
Tell us how you really feel.
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keeveek: They should. Because nowadays, the only people who sleep and eat for free are prisoners. People that [petitioned the Chinese government regarding corruption] LIVE FOR FREE when everybody else has to PAY FOR LIVING.

This is nonsense.
Oh puh-leeze. Go get yourself arrested if you really think it's such a gravy train. I dare you.
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keeveek: Free food, free houses, free social care, free schools. Yeah.
You sound jealous. Why aren't you in a prison then ?
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keeveek: They should. Because nowadays, the only people who sleep and eat for free are prisoners. People that [petitioned the Chinese government regarding corruption] LIVE FOR FREE when everybody else has to PAY FOR LIVING.

This is nonsense.
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Darling_Jimmy: Oh puh-leeze. Go get yourself arrested if you really think it's such a gravy train. I dare you.
Yeah, pure prisoners. They can't go outside and shit. We should pity them and their poor existence.

It's not their fault they murdered someone. They are the true and ONLY victims. They will suffer trauma to rest of their lives.

I will pray for every murderer and rapist this day. Because lack of satellite TV in each cell is torture.
Post edited May 27, 2011 by keeveek
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keeveek: Yeah, pure prisoners. They can't go outside and shit. We should pity them and their poor existence.

It's not their fault they [petitioned the Chinese government regarding corruption]. They are the true and ONLY victims. They will suffer trauma to rest of their lives.

I will pray for every [person who petitioned the Chinese government regarding corruption] this day. Because lack of [human rights] in each cell is torture.
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keeveek: Yeah, pure prisoners. They can't go outside and shit. We should pity them and their poor existence.

It's not their fault they murdered someone. They are the true and ONLY victims. They will suffer trauma to rest of their lives.

I will pray for every murderer and rapist this day. Because lack of satellite TV in each cell is torture.
It's cute that you think that everyone in jail in China is a murderer or rapist.
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keeveek: They can't go outside and shit. We should pity them and their poor existence.

It's not their fault they murdered someone.
Your sarcasm only makes sense if your interlocutors share the view of prisons as purely punitive facilities and (most likely) evil as a permanent mark that cannot/should not be cleansed.
Nice to see there's a healthy divide of both (comparatively) sane individuals and seriously fucked up ones right here on GOG. :D
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Darling_Jimmy: Oh puh-leeze. Go get yourself arrested if you really think it's such a gravy train. I dare you.
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keeveek: Yeah, pure prisoners. They can't go outside and shit. We should pity them and their poor existence.

It's not their fault they murdered someone. They are the true and ONLY victims. They will suffer trauma to rest of their lives.

I will pray for every murderer and rapist this day. Because lack of satellite TV in each cell is torture.
Not everyone who breaks the law is a rapist, murderer etc. So calm down with your hatred of prisoners unless you hate everyone who has broken a law(or several laws) in this world.
Post edited May 27, 2011 by macuahuitlgog
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Vestin: Yeah, but that doesn't mean they should be used as cheap labor. History already taught us that such a process can be lucrative but is wrong as hell (Nazi camps, Syberian gulags, etc).
History shows us that evil people using people is wrong as hell. Using people put in prison for real crimes as labor as part of their punishment is neither cruel nor unusual, unless the work and treatment itself is cruel and unusual.

I have no problem with putting them in working camps, except that half or more the people here are in jail for no actual crimes committed against anyone, so forcing them to work would just be further insult and injury and violation of their rights. But if it was only directed at violent offenders, it'd be hard to say working for them would be a problem.
Comparing Manning to this Chinese prisoner in an attempt to say USA is oppressive is laughable. If Manning was Chinese he would be dead along with his entire family and probably any coworkers who couldn't pay off the government. Glad I got the hell out of there.
Post edited May 27, 2011 by rancidstick
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keeveek: Yeah, pure prisoners. They can't go outside and shit. We should pity them and their poor existence.

It's not their fault they murdered someone. They are the true and ONLY victims. They will suffer trauma to rest of their lives.

I will pray for every murderer and rapist this day. Because lack of satellite TV in each cell is torture.
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macuahuitlgog: Not everyone who breaks the law is a rapist, murderer etc. So calm down with your hatred of prisoners unless you hate everyone who has broken a law(or several laws) in this world.
Those who have broken the law in minor cases, should work also. But of course not as hard as murderers. For example, they may sweep sidewalks, collect rubbish, etc etc.
History shows us that evil people using people is wrong as hell. Using people put in prison for real crimes as labor as part of their punishment is neither cruel nor unusual, unless the work and treatment itself is cruel and unusual.

I have no problem with putting them in working camps, except that half or more the people here are in jail for no actual crimes committed against anyone, so forcing them to work would just be further insult and injury and violation of their rights. But if it was only directed at violent offenders, it'd be hard to say working for them would be a problem.
And this is exactly the point. It's a different topic to me, unfair inprisonment (as Bradley Manning's) and just simply doing justice.
Comparing Manning to this Chinese prisoner in an attempt to say USA is oppressive is laughable. If Manning was Chinese he would be dead along with his entire family and probably any coworkers who couldn't pay off the government. Glad I got the hell out of there.
Oh! The great and merciful United States hasn't killed him (yet). Praise the United States!
Post edited May 28, 2011 by keeveek
The fact that people are able to campaign for the release of Manning is proof enough that USA has not stooped to China's level. Though your sarcastic joke response show your bias and lack of understanding by trying to compare USA to China.
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rancidstick: The fact that people are able to campaign for the release of Manning is proof enough that USA has not stooped to China's level. Though your sarcastic joke response show your bias and lack of understanding by trying to compare USA to China.
Yeah. And they serve champaigne in Guantanamo.
Post edited May 29, 2011 by keeveek