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Posted March 29, 2010
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DarrkPhoenix: *snip*

Well if you'd rather wear a tin foil hat and just blame the big evil corporation, go ahead. I don't give a crap.
Posted March 29, 2010
There was a company that sold PS3s in bundles (I dunno, 4 or 5 or something) and loaded up with Yellow Dog Linux so that universities or people wanting to hack into the French nuclear defense network would be able to get up and running without installing Linux themselves or having to tweak it. IIRC they probably sold it for the same price as normal PS3s but I don't know how they can stand out from the market now.
Posted March 29, 2010
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bansama: Well if you'd rather wear a tin foil hat and just blame the big evil corporation, go ahead. I don't give a crap.

I'll happily blame the hacker for going public with how to get into the PS3's hypervisor. I'll blame Sony for basically defrauding their customers with a bait-and-switch. Credit where credit is due, personal responsibility, and all that stuff.
EDIT: Just was doing some more reading on the matter and saw that Sony's legal battle over import taxes was actually over the PS2 and the relevant laws were changed in 2004 rendering the issue moot. I retract my earlier claims on the matter.
Post edited March 29, 2010 by DarrkPhoenix
Posted March 29, 2010
Maybe the ploy is to make you own two. One for gaming with the new firmware upgrade and the other for playing with other OS's - not upgraded with the firmware.
Posted March 30, 2010
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bansama: If you want to blame anyone for this, blame that little prick who used it to exploit the system in such a manner that the pirating of games would have been possible. That's why it's been removed.

Maybe GOG should stop offering DRM Free games the moment one is pirated. Lets turn off your electricity because your neighbor was caught tampering with their readings. And because you were caught talking in class, no one gets to go out to recess.
Posted March 30, 2010
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PhoenixWright: And because you were caught talking in class, no one gets to go out to recess.

You went to my primary school too??
Posted March 30, 2010
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bansama: If you want to blame anyone for this, blame that little prick who used it to exploit the system in such a manner that the pirating of games would have been possible. That's why it's been removed.

So instead of fixing the bug, they took the easy route and disabled a huge feature.
It's like if Microsoft decided that one day, nobody could use the command prompt anymore because it can be used to ""hack""*.
*Double quoted because using the word hack in that context makes me want to vomit.
Posted March 30, 2010
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Kingoftherings: So instead of fixing the bug, they took the easy route and disabled a huge feature.

A feature that they stopped supporting a long time ago anyway. So yes, it was better for them to disable it than to waste time on finding another way to fix it.
Now I'm curious, did any of you actually use this feature on the PS3, or are you all just bitching about it's removal for the sake of bitching about a company?
Posted March 30, 2010
I think here the moral is: Sony is a giant piece of shit.
Oh, and they already removed 2 USB ports, PS2 emulation and more from their "revolutionary" console. Never seen a crapload like this....
Posted March 30, 2010
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bansama: Now I'm curious, did any of you actually use this feature on the PS3, or are you all just bitching about it's removal for the sake of bitching about a company?

That's not really the point.
I have a huge backlog of games. The only reason I haven't played them is due to time constraints. I expect I'll get around to most of them some day, but then... What if I find that the game in question requires online activation, but that the publisher/developer has taken down the activation server, and not released a patch to remove the need for activation? I think I have a right to be angry. And that's just one game.
This is far more than that. Whether or not someone has actually ever used the functionality is quite beside the point. They had the option, but now it has been taken away. Removing functionality from products that people have already bought, can only be considered a bad idea.
EDIT: Also, curiosly, here you are arguing the exact opposite viewpoint. If you see no problem with what Sony is doing, why on Earth are you after Bioware? Noone even paid them any money for the bazaar thing.
Post edited March 30, 2010 by Wishbone
Posted March 30, 2010
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Wishbone: That's not really the point.

It's completely and utterly the point. There is no reason to bitch about the removal of a feature if it wasn't even being used by you.
And are you really trying to compare a current competition that was advertised worldwide only a few short hours ago (one I and many others would have taken advantage of had we been allowed), to a feature on a console for which support was dropped months ago?
Posted March 30, 2010
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bansama: If you want to blame anyone for this, blame that little prick who used it to exploit the system in such a manner that the pirating of games would have been possible. That's why it's been removed.

Are you telling me you or anyone ever believed they wouldn't ever hack the PS3? As in, "we had this feature because it didn't pose a threat, but oh wait, it does now, because someone hacked the PS3, this was against all odds, VERY unexpected, let's call it quits!" DRM, firmware updates, breaking PSN, voiding the warranty, all this sucks, but it'd never stop the computing geniuses from trying to crack a major console. The way you put it, it's like hacking the PS3 is news, an otherwise unthinkable sin. They keep spending top dollar on protecting systems only to keep hackers at bay for a day longer.
If you want to blame the hacker, you got a point, it might even be the very reason this is happening to begin with. They should do whatever it takes to protect their own prerogatives (that of selling games with no piracy for example), but only to a certain extent in which they don't take legit customers their right to use the features they already paid for -- that's a big no-no in any industry.
PS: I don't own a PS3 but I am a modding enthusiast. I know I'll wait until someone circumvents Sony's new firmware before putting money on it now, so I can join the party too, later.
Post edited March 30, 2010 by RafaelLopez
Posted March 30, 2010
From what i understand its probably way to complicated for the average person to do so i don't know why there so worried.
Post edited March 30, 2010 by Salsa_Shark
Posted March 30, 2010
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Wishbone: That's not really the point.
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bansama: It's completely and utterly the point.

THE point is removing a feature you paid for, period. If you think that's okay, you're wrong.
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RafaelLopez: Are you telling me you or anyone ever believed they wouldn't ever hack the PS3? As in, "we had this feature because it didn't pose a threat, but oh wait, it does now, because someone hacked the PS3, this was against all odds, VERY unexpected, let's call it quits!" DRM, firmware updates, breaking PSN, voiding the warranty, all this sucks, but it'd never stop the computing geniuses from trying to crack a major console. The way you put it, it's like hacking the PS3 is news, an otherwise unthinkable sin. They keep spending top dollar on protecting systems only to keep hackers at bay for a day longer.
If you want to blame the hacker, you got a point, it might even be the very reason this is happening to begin with. They should do whatever it takes to protect their own prerogatives (that of selling games with no piracy for example), but only to a certain extent in which they don't take legit customers their right to use the features they already paid for -- that's a big no-no in any industry.
PS: I don't own a PS3 but I am a modding enthusiast. I know I'll wait until someone circumvents Sony's new firmware before putting money on it now, so I can join the party too, later.
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Salsa_Shark: And from what i understand its probably way to complicated for the average person to do.

Modding for dummies (like me) is following the pointers of the geniuses (as opposed to dummies) that put the tools together and release them for the public. When modding gathers a community around it, all you must do is find a good tutorial. That's how I learned to flash my Samsung Omnia and Sony PSP. All it takes is some reading really.
Post edited March 30, 2010 by RafaelLopez
Posted March 30, 2010
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bansama: There is no reason to bitch about the removal of a feature if it wasn't even being used by you.

There's every reason to call out bad behavior even when it doesn't affect you. If you wait until you do get screwed over to make a stink then it tends to be a bit too late to affect things in any meaningful way, not to mention coming across as incredibly juvenile when the only time you care about something is when it negatively impacts you.
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