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Posted June 06, 2013
Thanks for the giveaway! Though I too am interested in Esther, I think I'll pass and let others enjoy it :-)
Posted June 06, 2013
Thanks and +1 for the giveaway! Not entering, just wanted to say thanks. :)
Posted June 06, 2013
Thanks. I'm for Dear Esther.
Posted June 06, 2013
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amok: Which is, off course, against HiB's terms and against their very explicit wishes.
Amok, I've read some of your post in the past: I see your point and disagree with the people who downrepped you for your post. That said, I would like to invite you to read HB's Terms of Service, as stated in one of the FAQs you posted. It seems to me that there is no references to Steam keys and their use. HB also clearly states that it cannot be responsable for any issue with third party software (Steam).
What I say is that gifting the keys is surely against service "spirit", but not against any rules.
The FAQs you posted are to be considerated in this way, not more than this. Also because, in my opinion, the TOS itself can't be considered an agreement outside the US, since "it shall be governed by U.S. Federal law and the laws of the State of California, U.S.A" and "the application of the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is expressly excluded".

Please, don't consider this as an apology for breaking the rules and defending the piracy. It's only another point of view.
Posted June 06, 2013
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amok: Which is, off course, against HiB's terms and against their very explicit wishes.
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dr.schliemann: Amok, I've read some of your post in the past: I see your point and disagree with the people who downrepped you for your post. That said, I would like to invite you to read HB's Terms of Service, as stated in one of the FAQs you posted. It seems to me that there is no references to Steam keys and their use. HB also clearly states that it cannot be responsable for any issue with third party software (Steam).
What I say is that gifting the keys is surely against service "spirit", but not against any rules.
The FAQs you posted are to be considerated in this way, not more than this. Also because, in my opinion, the TOS itself can't be considered an agreement outside the US, since "it shall be governed by U.S. Federal law and the laws of the State of California, U.S.A" and "the application of the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is expressly excluded".

Please, don't consider this as an apology for breaking the rules and defending the piracy. It's only another point of view.
No, that is fair. And you are off course just as well allowed your point of view as much as I am allowed mine.

My point of view is that HiB is a very generous service, which gives the user a lot of choice and asks for very little in return. They are very explicit in how they want you to treat them (even though the ToS may not be so clear, the FAQ is very clear), and I think it is both a breach of trust and dishonest making these giveaway.

Another matter is this problem - how do you know the giver is not duplicating the games? i.e. giving away the Steam keys and keeping the DRM free copies. My feeling on the matter is that if I can not trust a person enough to respect HiB's wishes, can I trust them enough not to do this also?

Anyway, that is my take on the matter, though I know I am in a minority here.
Posted June 06, 2013
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dr.schliemann: Amok, I've read some of your post in the past: I see your point and disagree with the people who downrepped you for your post. That said, I would like to invite you to read HB's Terms of Service, as stated in one of the FAQs you posted. It seems to me that there is no references to Steam keys and their use. HB also clearly states that it cannot be responsable for any issue with third party software (Steam).
What I say is that gifting the keys is surely against service "spirit", but not against any rules.
The FAQs you posted are to be considerated in this way, not more than this. Also because, in my opinion, the TOS itself can't be considered an agreement outside the US, since "it shall be governed by U.S. Federal law and the laws of the State of California, U.S.A" and "the application of the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is expressly excluded".

Please, don't consider this as an apology for breaking the rules and defending the piracy. It's only another point of view.
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amok: No, that is fair. And you are off course just as well allowed your point of view as much as I am allowed mine.

My point of view is that HiB is a very generous service, which gives the user a lot of choice and asks for very little in return. They are very explicit in how they want you to treat them (even though the ToS may not be so clear, the FAQ is very clear), and I think it is both a breach of trust and dishonest making these giveaway.

Another matter is this problem - how do you know the giver is not duplicating the games? i.e. giving away the Steam keys and keeping the DRM free copies. My feeling on the matter is that if I can not trust a person enough to respect HiB's wishes, can I trust them enough not to do this also?

Anyway, that is my take on the matter, though I know I am in a minority here.
I happen to agree with your point of view. I think the spirit of the HiB is that the keys are to be used by the owner of the URL for the bundle as a method to choose how you want to access the game. Having said this though, I think the way it is implemented has led to the behavior of giving away keys that people feel they own legally. It's hard to say how many games are duplicated in this fashion, but the fact is the DRM free versions can be had for $0.01 anyway (so duplication isn't a huge problem).

Edit: Just wanted to add not in, but the generosity (what ever the underlying facts maybe) is still appreciated.
Post edited June 06, 2013 by cdnred
Posted June 06, 2013
This giveaway turned in a discussion thread.
Nonetheless, the Random Gods (random.org) chose the winners:
Crsldmc - Thomas Was Alone
Reever - Dear Esther
Braussie - Awesomenauts
Congratulations for all of them!
Those games are awesome!
Check your PMs.
Posted June 06, 2013
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dovahcore: This giveaway turned in a discussion thread.
Nonetheless, the Random Gods (random.org) chose the winners:
Crsldmc - Thomas Was Alone
Reever - Dear Esther
Braussie - Awesomenauts
Congratulations for all of them!
Those games are awesome!
Check your PMs.
Thank you, dovahcore! Congrats to the winners!
Posted June 06, 2013
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dovahcore: This giveaway turned in a discussion thread.
Nonetheless, the Random Gods (random.org) chose the winners:
Crsldmc - Thomas Was Alone
Reever - Dear Esther
Braussie - Awesomenauts
Congratulations for all of them!
Those games are awesome!
Check your PMs.
Thank you dovahcore! +1
Posted June 07, 2013
Congrats, Winners! Thanks, Dovahcore!
Posted June 07, 2013
Short and sweet! Thanks dovahcore, and congrats to the winners!
Posted June 07, 2013
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dovahcore: This giveaway turned in a discussion thread.
Nonetheless, the Random Gods (random.org) chose the winners:
Crsldmc - Thomas Was Alone
Reever - Dear Esther
Braussie - Awesomenauts
Congratulations for all of them!
Those games are awesome!
Check your PMs.
Cool, thanks!! :)
Posted June 07, 2013
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Spinorial: Short and sweet! Thanks dovahcore, and congrats to the winners!
This.
Posted June 07, 2013
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Spinorial: Short and sweet! Thanks dovahcore, and congrats to the winners!
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triock: This.
^ These. ;)
Posted June 07, 2013
congrats to the winners, & thanks again dovahcore
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