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fronzelneekburm: It's not a good start. Once again, the DRM-free crowd gets treated as second class citizens. They promised this would be DRM free, so excluding non-Steam backers from early access versions is a complete breach of trust. Yes, they do mention that betas will be distributed via Steam, but they only added that point to their FAQ a month after the campaign ended and the money was collected. (Which unfortunately is exemplary for the kind of bait & switch tactics that have become standard MO for most Kickstarter campaigns.)
I think this is quite inaccurate. First off, a project creator can't make any changes to the tiers description after the campaign has ended and I do recall that the part about the Beta being a Steam-exclusive was there from the beginning. That was not the problem as they were upfront about it from the start, i.e. one decided to back having full knowledge of this.

The "discrimination" of backers started the moment it went on public sale (which was advertised as the final release and not some beta). In other words, everybody and their grandmother got access to the game - except DRM-free proponents, backers and non-backers alike. And from what I read on the DF forum, the windows version doesn't run without the Steam-client. That basically means that, until a DRM-free version is released, pro DRM-free backers essentially supported both DRM and Steam exclusivity with their money.
Thanks to a number of vocal pro DRM-free backers, they reconsidered their stance about the DRM-free version coming only after Act II, but that "in the next month or so" leaves room for a longer wait than one month.

They could have handled it a lot better, I guess it's lesson learnt.
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fronzelneekburm: It's not a good start. Once again, the DRM-free crowd gets treated as second class citizens. They promised this would be DRM free, so excluding non-Steam backers from early access versions is a complete breach of trust. Yes, they do mention that betas will be distributed via Steam, but they only added that point to their FAQ a month after the campaign ended and the money was collected. (Which unfortunately is exemplary for the kind of bait & switch tactics that have become standard MO for most Kickstarter campaigns.)
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HypersomniacLive: I think this is quite inaccurate. First off, a project creator can't make any changes to the tiers description after the campaign has ended and I do recall that the part about the Beta being a Steam-exclusive was there from the beginning. That was not the problem as they were upfront about it from the start, i.e. one decided to back having full knowledge of this.

The "discrimination" of backers started the moment it went on public sale (which was advertised as the final release and not some beta). In other words, everybody and their grandmother got access to the game - except DRM-free proponents, backers and non-backers alike. And from what I read on the DF forum, the windows version doesn't run without the Steam-client. That basically means that, until a DRM-free version is released, pro DRM-free backers essentially supported both DRM and Steam exclusivity with their money.
Thanks to a number of vocal pro DRM-free backers, they reconsidered their stance about the DRM-free version coming only after Act II, but that "in the next month or so" leaves room for a longer wait than one month.

They could have handled it a lot better, I guess it's lesson learnt.
Since I didn't back "Broken Age" myself (missed out on the initial campaign and the fact that physical copies weren't offered to later investors scared me away), feel free to take what I've written with a grain of salt and correct me. As for the beta statement, I was referring to their Q&A answer where the beta would be released:

"Q: How do I get access to the beta?

A: On Steam. Isn’t Steam the best?!"

(SOURCE)

This was added (or changed) on Apr 25 2012, while the project was funded on Mar 14, 2012.

Thanks for your insights on what happened after the public sale started! Do you know whether the DRM-free version of Act I also be available to buy for non-backers? Because that's another thing that ticked me off in the past: I remember once Larry Reloaded got greenlit, they changed their paypal-backer tiers to not offer DRM-free versions anymore. I took to their forums and wrote a lengthy complaint about how disgusted and disappointed I am to have potentially helped fund a Steam-only title. The main rebuttal I got at the time was somewhere along the lines of "As a backer, you'll receive a DRM-free version. What more do you want?" They did keep their promise and delivered a DRM-free version to the public, so all's well ends well, I guess. But it was that precise moment that I first got weary of the DRM-free promises made during Kickstarter campaigns.
Post edited February 01, 2014 by fronzelneekburm
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fronzelneekburm: snip

As for the beta statement, I was referring to their Q&A answer where the beta would be released:

"Q: How do I get access to the beta?

A: On Steam. Isn’t Steam the best?!"

(SOURCE)

This was added (or changed) on Apr 25 2012, while the project was funded on Mar 14, 2012.

snip.
If you noticed, most entries in the FAQ are dated "Tue, Apr 24 2012 9:48 pm EDT" - maybe some Kickstarter glitch or some massive editing by DF though I'm in position to say what all the edits could have been about.

DF didn't offer a DRM-free version from the beginning of their campaign, only a Steam release. They added the DRM-free release only after inquires were made about it. I had contacted them on Feb 9 2012 asking about one; in my message I had quoted their "On Steam. Isn’t Steam the best?!" reply which, IIRC, was to the question about general game availability, not just the beta.
Either way, this is not a new entry. I think that they edit it to address only the beta after they promised the DRM-free version - and yes, Kickstarter is in the bad habit of making exceptions and favours depending on the campaign creators (names/ fame and maybe even the money they bring in).


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fronzelneekburm: snip

Do you know whether the DRM-free version of Act I also be available to buy for non-backers?

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Going by the fight over it for backers, I'd have to say "I doubt it". But since they're going to make it available to backers via Humble, who knows, maybe they'll put it up on the Humble Store for non-backers as well, although that could always just mean a Steam key.
Either way, I wouldn't expect it to show up here any time soon - I was never under the impression that DF valued GOG particularly.
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fronzelneekburm: snip

Do you know whether the DRM-free version of Act I also be available to buy for non-backers?

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HypersomniacLive: Going by the fight over it for backers, I'd have to say "I doubt it". But since they're going to make it available to backers via Humble, who knows, maybe they'll put it up on the Humble Store for non-backers as well, although that could always just mean a Steam key.
Either way, I wouldn't expect it to show up here any time soon - I was never under the impression that DF valued GOG particularly.
I really do not see any reason why not, or why not it should not pop up on gog also. After all, all the other DF games (except the cave which is published by SEGA) is DRM free, so it is not like DF have a problem with DRM free.
It was a little too easy for my tastes. No real brain-benders or "a-ha!" opportunities.

Also, tumblr nose.
it was okey, average indie game, not what they were hyping it to be. Alos it was clearly made to be played in tablets or phones, the UI was bad
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amok: I really do not see any reason why not, or why not it should not pop up on gog also. After all, all the other DF games (except the cave which is published by SEGA) is DRM free, so it is not like DF have a problem with DRM free.
I'd very much welcome a timely release on GOG, but their previous history of releases on GOG don't inspire much confidence in that - just look at the original release dates and compare them to the GOG ones (based on the GOG Wiki). And if I'm not mistaken, they only released Brütal Legend during their "campaign" for additional funds for Broken Age, i.e. even after their Humble Double Fine Bundle which was the one offering a standalone DRM-free version to the general public.

Does anyone know if any of their games were available as standalone DRM-free releases before Broken Age started showing serious signs of going over-budget?
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amok: I really do not see any reason why not, or why not it should not pop up on gog also. After all, all the other DF games (except the cave which is published by SEGA) is DRM free, so it is not like DF have a problem with DRM free.
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HypersomniacLive: I'd very much welcome a timely release on GOG, but their previous history of releases on GOG don't inspire much confidence in that - just look at the original release dates and compare them to the GOG ones (based on the GOG Wiki). And if I'm not mistaken, they only released Brütal Legend during their "campaign" for additional funds for Broken Age, i.e. even after their Humble Double Fine Bundle which was the one offering a standalone DRM-free version to the general public.

Does anyone know if any of their games were available as standalone DRM-free releases before Broken Age started showing serious signs of going over-budget?
Psychonauts, Costume Quest and Stacking came out before?

Brutal Legend came out just after it's steam release, there were only a couple of weeks(?) between them

edit: BL was made in 2009, but only for Xbox 360 and PS3. It came out on PC in 2013. The steam release was in February, and the gog in March (?)
Post edited February 02, 2014 by amok
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amok: Psychonauts, Costume Quest and Stacking came out before?

Brutal Legend came out just after it's steam release, there were only a couple of weeks(?) between them

edit: BL was made in 2009, but only for Xbox 360 and PS3. It came out on PC in 2013. The steam release was in February, and the gog in March (?)
Broken Age started showing signs of going over-bugdet long before they announced it - if you're a backer you can spot small signs & hints in the documentaries.

Psychonauts, Costume Quest and Stacking came to GOG long after their initial release and I don't rule out that the latter two came as part of DF campaign to raise additional funds for Broken Age.
Brütal Legend came to GOG a few months after the Humble Double Fine Bundle (July on GOG, May on Humble) and that was definitely related to raising funds for Broken Age.

Either way, you have your opinion and I have mine; let's just leave it at that.
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amok: Psychonauts, Costume Quest and Stacking came out before?

Brutal Legend came out just after it's steam release, there were only a couple of weeks(?) between them

edit: BL was made in 2009, but only for Xbox 360 and PS3. It came out on PC in 2013. The steam release was in February, and the gog in March (?)
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HypersomniacLive: Broken Age started showing signs of going over-bugdet long before they announced it - if you're a backer you can spot small signs & hints in the documentaries.

Psychonauts, Costume Quest and Stacking came to GOG long after their initial release and I don't rule out that the latter two came as part of DF campaign to raise additional funds for Broken Age.
Brütal Legend came to GOG a few months after the Humble Double Fine Bundle (July on GOG, May on Humble) and that was definitely related to raising funds for Broken Age.

Either way, you have your opinion and I have mine; let's just leave it at that.
Psychonauts - gOg release Nov 5 2009
Costume Quest - gOg Release Nov 13 2012
Stacking - gOg Release Nov 27 2012

Psychonauts must definitely be taken out of the equation, it was one of the earlier games on gOg...

edit - also, all those games are delivered DRM free through Steam.
Post edited February 02, 2014 by amok
Costume Quest - Steam Release Oct 15 2011 (13 months before GOG release)
Stacking - Steam Release Mar 6 2012 (8 months before GOG release)
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amok: edit - also, all those games are delivered DRM free through Steam.
Facepalm.
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amok: edit - also, all those games are delivered DRM free through Steam.
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BreathingMeat: Facepalm.
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/list_of_drmfree_games_on_steam
My unreserved apologies.