It seems that you're using an outdated browser. Some things may not work as they should (or don't work at all).
We suggest you upgrade newer and better browser like: Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer or Opera

×
Community
General discussion (archive) Book People Unite ad(64 posts)(64 posts)
(64 posts)
Pages:
1
2
3
4
5
This is my favourite topic
Posted April 14, 2014
avatar
Aveweto: pretty cool ad and campaign shame most kids in 3rd world countries would like to read but cant and the ones in the "wealthier" countries have plenty of books but all they read is messages on whatsapp and facebook statuses.

on a side note that red riding hood is hot :P
avatar
eagarza12: I totally agree. I'm an elementary reading teacher and it disturbs me that these kids have access to so much literature and chose to ignore it all. (With a few exceptions)
yeah but unfortunately the few exceptions wont be enough in the long run
Posted April 14, 2014
avatar
HypersomniacLive: While you're bothered by those thinking that other (entertainment) media are inferior to books, you don't seem to abstain from this practice yourself (only into the opposite direction).

There is no comparison to be made between books, motion films, video games, etc. Each one offers a unique, personal experience (that the others can't offer), the value of which is highly subjective. One can enjoy all of them, but prefer one over others because they value more the experience one particular medium offers them.
Yup, every medium has its own purposes and methods in fulfilling those purposes. For an example, look at Rule of Rose. As a game, it's just plain awful. Even if the gameplay was decent (instead of totally broken), it still wouldn't be a very good game.

As a movie, on the other hand, we wouldn't have any of the tedium of gameplay, and we would be allowed to focus on the story and surrealism of that world.

As a book, we still would be spared the tedium of gameplay, but some of the surrealism would be lost simply due to lack of visual representation. There's a big difference in describing stuff (such as the imps that run around, the jilted motions and behaviors of the children, and the appearance of the general environment) and seeing it. Descriptions tend to lack the atmosphere that can be achieved from visual immersion. However, a book format would give us access to the direct thoughts of the characters, adding an extra layer of depth to the world and characters as we discover the mechanics behind the way these children and Jennifer act, interact, or fail to do either. In addition, symbols are much easier to see as such in books, as visually seeing an object tends to draw people's attention away from its possible symbolism.

In the case of Rule of Rose, film and book formats would be equal representations, though they would focus on and emphasize different aspects.

*note that I'm not saying video games are inferior (just that Rule of Rose wasn't ever designed to make a good one)
Posted April 14, 2014
avatar
F1ach: Who needs movies when you have somebody like Shakespeare to tell you stories that cover so many facets of human life.
Funny you choose Shakespeare to show plebeians how much better the written word is than actually watching watching people perform.

You do realize Shakespeare wrote PLAYS, not novels, right? They were meant to be watched, not read.
Posted April 14, 2014
avatar
F1ach: Who needs movies when you have somebody like Shakespeare to tell you stories that cover so many facets of human life.
avatar
Immoli: Funny you choose Shakespeare to show plebeians how much better the written word is than actually watching watching people perform.

You do realize Shakespeare wrote PLAYS, not novels, right? They were meant to be watched, not read.
What a strange thing to say....plebeians? You make it sound like I am trying to speak down to you because I use probably the greatest writer ever as an example of good writing.

I do know he wrote plays (now who's talking down to somebody), yes he "wrote" them, which means they can be read and they are wonderful to read.
Post edited April 14, 2014 by F1ach
Posted April 14, 2014
avatar
Immoli: Funny you choose Shakespeare to show plebeians how much better the written word is than actually watching watching people perform.

You do realize Shakespeare wrote PLAYS, not novels, right? They were meant to be watched, not read.
avatar
F1ach: What a strange thing to say....plebeians? You make it sound like I am trying to speak down to you because I use probably the greatest writer ever as an example of good writing.

I do know he wrote plays (now who's talking down to somebody), yes he "wrote" them, which means they can be read and they are wonderful to read.
I think Shakespeare is quite nice to read. Try Madam Bovary from Gustave de Flaubert and then you will be pulling your hairs out because of the naturalistic/realistic theme - one page describing the appareance of the kitchen table. This will forever stay in my mind about this book.
Post edited April 14, 2014 by Matruchus
Posted April 14, 2014
avatar
F1ach: What a strange thing to say....plebeians? You make it sound like I am trying to speak down to you because I use probably the greatest writer ever as an example of good writing.

I do know he wrote plays (now who's talking down to somebody), yes he "wrote" them, which means they can be read and they are wonderful to read.
avatar
Matruchus: I think Shakespeare is quite nice to read. Try Madam Bovary from Gustave de Flaubert and then you will be pulling your hairs out because of the naturalistic/realistic theme - one page describing the appareance of the kitchen table. This will forever stay in my mind about this book.
My French is very basic, do you know a good English version? Currently working through Nichols translation of The Divine Comedy (very good), so it will be awhile before I get to it, but its an interesting suggestion, cheers :).
Posted April 14, 2014
avatar
Matruchus: I think Shakespeare is quite nice to read. Try Madam Bovary from Gustave de Flaubert and then you will be pulling your hairs out because of the naturalistic/realistic theme - one page describing the appareance of the kitchen table. This will forever stay in my mind about this book.
avatar
F1ach: My French is very basic, do you know a good English version? Currently working through Nichols translation of The Divine Comedy (very good), so it will be awhile before I get to it, but its an interesting suggestion, cheers :).
This is the english version of Madame Bovary that is mostly recomended: http://www.amazon.com/Madame-Bovary-Backgrounds-Criticism-Critical/dp/0393096084/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1397505388&sr=8-2&keywords=madame+bovary+paul+de+man

It is by Paul de Man but since it is an older version its hard to get.
Posted April 14, 2014
avatar
F1ach: My French is very basic, do you know a good English version? Currently working through Nichols translation of The Divine Comedy (very good), so it will be awhile before I get to it, but its an interesting suggestion, cheers :).
avatar
Matruchus: This is the english version of Madame Bovary that is mostly recomended: http://www.amazon.com/Madame-Bovary-Backgrounds-Criticism-Critical/dp/0393096084/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1397505388&sr=8-2&keywords=madame+bovary+paul+de+man

It is by Paul de Man but since it is an older version its hard to get.
Looks like a pretty cool edition with the extras, I'll keep an eye out, thanks :)
Posted April 14, 2014
avatar
monkeydelarge: Nothing wrong with loving books. It just bothers me that a lot of people who love books, put them on a golden pedestal and think movies, TV shows and video games are an inferior medium or an equal medium. Why? Because I have to deal with these kind of people often and every time they notice you don't do a lot of reading, they look at you like you are some uneducated retard or missing out on life...
avatar
HypersomniacLive: While you're bothered by those thinking that other (entertainment) media are inferior to books, you don't seem to abstain from this practice yourself (only into the opposite direction).

There is no comparison to be made between books, motion films, video games, etc. Each one offers a unique, personal experience (that the others can't offer), the value of which is highly subjective. One can enjoy all of them, but prefer one over others because they value more the experience one particular medium offers them.
Of course, I don't abstain from this practice myself. A) This forum is where I come to share my thoughts. B) I believe books are inferior compared to movies, TV shows and video games. Duh. Trying to put me down because I share my thoughts when I am bothered by other people sharing their thoughts is(I'll be nice)...silly... If this is a crime in your mind, then 99.9% of the human population is guilty. Yes, I am guilty of thinking I am right and thinking others are wrong. Where in my previous posts, did I say, it is against my beliefs to share thoughts that express my belief that books are inferior to movies, TV shows and video games? You assume I'm bothered by people sharing their thoughts because I believe people shouldn't share their thoughts?

Since the first human beings on this Earth, people have been bothered by people sharing beliefs(or having beliefs) they believed to be wrong and had no problem sharing their beliefs because they believed their beliefs were right. A lot of people, unfortunately, were more than bothered by people sharing beliefs, they believed were wrong...

It seems, you got a little butt hurt and tried to attack me, the only way you could. Why? Because I believe books are inferior compared to movies, TV shows and video games? So if you think I'm wrong, then that is a good reason to not like me. But why take it to the next level as if I insulted your family? Why be more than bothered? Why get angry over something like this? Is everyone in your family, an author of books? Are you a librarian? Do you also attack people for thinking the music you listen to is shit? Why not tell me I'm wrong without accusing me of being a hypocrite and a dumb ass?
Post edited April 14, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted April 14, 2014
avatar
F1ach: Coming from a country so incredibly steeped in literature from its folklore to Beckett, Yeats, Joyce to more modern writers like Seamus Heaney, our neighbours in Britain having the likes of Monmouth, Shakespeare, Dickens, the Bronte's etc. I feel so privileged that I had the means to be immersed in their words from an early age. Who needs movies when you have somebody like Shakespeare to tell you stories that cover so many facets of human life.

If you never travelled, you could always read books like Slow Boats to China, or some of Thor Heyerdahl's works. You could be sitting in a prison doing a life sentence for something, but your mind can be transported instantly to somewhere else, be it Middle Earth, Ancient Japan or even another galaxy far far away (tm).

Books stimulate the mind, make you use your imagination as opposed to watching a movie which is a vision of someone else's imagination.
I agree that there is so much amazing literature out there that if you don't read, time to time, then you are missing out but imagine if Shakespeare came back from the dead, right now. Do you think he would want all his future work to be in books? OR would he start writing scripts for movies, TV shows etc? I agree that books stimulate the mind a lot more than movies and TV shows. And stimulating the mind is good. But do books stimulate the mind more than video games?
avatar
monkeydelarge: Who says, a movie can't be as long as a book?

A movie can be as long as a book...
avatar
groze: A book can't be measured in time length. Different people read at different speeds. Books are meant to be enjoyed at the reader's own pace, sometimes browsing backwards to parts they've read before. There's no comparison whatsoever in terms of "time", unless you mean the time an actor takes to deliver their part of the script, and even then it's always subject to the interpretation of the actor, the director and the cameramen.
Since VHS cassettes came out, people have been able to enjoy movies at their own pace.
avatar
blotunga: I agree with the message, but the commercial could be better honestly. As for those saying movies are superior: you can never have in a movie the level of detail that books have. This is why many movies, which are inspired by great books, suck...
Maybe you think movies don't have the same level of detail books have because most of the movies out there were made to be shown in movie theaters and dumb downed for the average person?
Post edited April 14, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted April 14, 2014
Babar was in that video!!
Posted April 14, 2014
I love reading the Conan books from Robert E. Howard but the 80s movie Conan The Barbarian truly brings this world to a whole new level. Arnold + epic Basil Poledouris music + violence on a screen in front of you is inferior to your imagination or equal to your imagination? Yeah and I'm a purple flying monkey from Mars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5K3AKl5qpc
Post edited April 14, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted April 14, 2014
avatar
F1ach: Coming from a country so incredibly steeped in literature from its folklore to Beckett, Yeats, Joyce to more modern writers like Seamus Heaney, our neighbours in Britain having the likes of Monmouth, Shakespeare, Dickens, the Bronte's etc. I feel so privileged that I had the means to be immersed in their words from an early age. Who needs movies when you have somebody like Shakespeare to tell you stories that cover so many facets of human life.

If you never travelled, you could always read books like Slow Boats to China, or some of Thor Heyerdahl's works. You could be sitting in a prison doing a life sentence for something, but your mind can be transported instantly to somewhere else, be it Middle Earth, Ancient Japan or even another galaxy far far away (tm).

Books stimulate the mind, make you use your imagination as opposed to watching a movie which is a vision of someone else's imagination.
avatar
monkeydelarge: I agree that there is so much amazing literature out there that if you don't read, time to time, then you are missing out but imagine if Shakespeare came back from the dead, right now. Do you think he would want all his future work to be in books? OR would he start writing scripts for movies, TV shows etc? I agree that books stimulate the mind a lot more than movies and TV shows. And stimulating the mind is good. But do books stimulate the mind more than video games?
I would imagine he would look at books and be overcome with awe with their quality of binding, legibility and ease of access for ordinary people.
He wouldn't have to write future scripts for movies, he has already done that, he would also be too busy suing the movie companies and publishers for royalties to create anything else :P
Posted April 14, 2014
avatar
monkeydelarge: I love reading the Conan books from Robert E. Howard but the 80s movie Conan The Barbarian truly brings this world to a whole new level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5K3AKl5qpc
Not really because it was nothing like the books, at all.
Posted April 14, 2014
avatar
monkeydelarge: I love reading the Conan books from Robert E. Howard but the 80s movie Conan The Barbarian truly brings this world to a whole new level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5K3AKl5qpc
avatar
pimpmonkey2382: Not really because it was nothing like the books, at all.
And that is the fault of the people behind the Conan The Barbarian movie, not the movie medium. But the movie still brings the world to a whole new level. You can't say it doesn't just because the movie's plot is something they came up with for the movie. The movie still brings the Hyborian Age to life.
Post edited April 14, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Pages:
1
2
3
4
5
This is my favourite topic
Community
General discussion (archive) Book People Unite ad(64 posts)(64 posts)
(64 posts)