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Posted November 23, 2009
Any word on Blood from 3D Realms/Monolith? I lost my CD long ago, but now that I've found GoG, I'm hoping they will be my hero and start selling it soon. :)
Posted November 23, 2009
If you would like to see a game sold on GOG feel free to vote for it: http://www.gog.com/en/wanted/
It may or may not turn up eventually.
Posted November 24, 2009
Blood 1 is abandonware (until GOG or some other store starts selling it again): [url=]http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/103/Blood.html[/url]
Post edited November 24, 2009 by Yehat
Posted November 24, 2009
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Yehat: Blood 1 is abandonware (until GOG or some other store starts selling it again): [url=]http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/103/Blood.html[/url]

Abandonware isn't legal.
Posted November 24, 2009
I think Atari might own that.
Posted November 24, 2009
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Yehat: Blood 1 is abandonware (until GOG or some other store starts selling it again): [url=]http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/103/Blood.html[/url]
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michaelleung: Abandonware isn't legal.

Still I'd like to see how a lawsuit about it would go. Unless there have already been any??
Posted November 24, 2009
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BladderOfDoom: Still I'd like to see how a lawsuit about it would go. Unless there have already been any??

Naturally, the IP owner would win. It's their property after all. And someone offering up that property without their permission is going to lose.
Posted November 24, 2009
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bansama: Naturally, the IP owner would win. It's their property after all. And someone offering up that property without their permission is going to lose.

Still there have been at least a couple of recent copyright lawsuits I can think of that havent gone the way they thought it would. Abandonware sites arent making any money from it and they arent really 'stealing' anything. Just as long as the games genuinely arent for sale anymore then you cant even claim they are depriving the publisher/developer/whatever of sales or money either. Anyway seeing as as far as I know it hasnt happened yet then we wont know for sure. Although the IP owner winning is a distinct possibility I realise that.
Posted November 24, 2009
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bansama: Naturally, the IP owner would win. It's their property after all. And someone offering up that property without their permission is going to lose.
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BladderOfDoom: Still there have been at least a couple of recent copyright lawsuits I can think of that havent gone the way they thought it would. Abandonware sites arent making any money from it and they arent really 'stealing' anything. Just as long as the games genuinely arent for sale anymore then you cant even claim they are depriving the publisher/developer/whatever of sales or money either. Anyway seeing as as far as I know it hasnt happened yet then we wont know for sure. Although the IP owner winning is a distinct possibility I realise that.

Do you happen to have any concrete info on those abandonware sites winning the lawsuits?
The concept of abandonware being legal is the same as how a lot of sites for blatantly illegal materials think having those "If you are with the government or anyone who would sue us, you have to leave" splash pages. They just don't work.
The only reason Abandonware is so popular is that the people who would sue either aren't around, don't care, or are flattered. That is why games which EA have the rights to tend to get banned from abandonware sites, even if they aren't being sold.
Abandonware is legal in the sense that everything is "legal" until you get caught :p
Posted November 24, 2009
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Gundato: Do you happen to have any concrete info on those abandonware sites winning the lawsuits?
The concept of abandonware being legal is the same as how a lot of sites for blatantly illegal materials think having those "If you are with the government or anyone who would sue us, you have to leave" splash pages. They just don't work.
The only reason Abandonware is so popular is that the people who would sue either aren't around, don't care, or are flattered. That is why games which EA have the rights to tend to get banned from abandonware sites, even if they aren't being sold.
Abandonware is legal in the sense that everything is "legal" until you get caught :p

No I wasnt reffering to abandonware sites winning lawsuits. It was other gaming related ones that now i think about it probably arent similar enough to compare properly.
And really I'm not saying its all above board and legal just that perhaps a lawsuit would have abit of trouble actually securing a conviction. Or at least not a severe one.
Posted November 24, 2009
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michaelleung:

Sure it is. If a copyright is not protected, it's not vallid.
If I didn't know any better, I would think that the majority of GOG users are either software designers, or ultra conservative. The degree of corporatism in people's outlooks frightens me.
Post edited November 25, 2009 by anjohl
Posted November 24, 2009
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anjohl: If I didn't know any better, I would think that the majority of GOG users are either software designers, or ultra conservative. The degree of corporatism in people's outlooks frightens me.

I for one visit the site linked on a fairly regular basis, I don't think the gog forums are the correct place to be linking to abandonware though. If anyone really wants to find that, a quick google search works wonders. I've said it before on these forums but having direct links to games we hope to one day have on this site doesn't help.
Posted November 24, 2009
Anyway, back to Blood, yeah, my favorite Build engine game. I wish we could get something like eDuke for Blood, but since it appears Monolith lost the source code we probably won't unless some brave soul reverse engineers the whole thing.
Works pretty well in DosBox, and you can get CD copies of plain Blood (Not OUWB) for about $10 last I checked.
Posted November 24, 2009
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Gundato: The only reason Abandonware is so popular is that the people who would sue either aren't around, don't care, or are flattered. That is why games which EA have the rights to tend to get banned from abandonware sites, even if they aren't being sold.

Actually, EA games are omitted because EA is a member of the ESA. The ESA is sort of the RIAA of video games and among other things aims to actively protect against infringements of their members' IPs on their behalf. This protection is all-encompassing and in theory applies to anything and everything that company has ever developed and/or published. Because of this you typically won't see their members' titles on ROM or abandonware sites no matter how obscure or "abandoned" a particular game might be.
Posted November 24, 2009
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Gundato: The only reason Abandonware is so popular is that the people who would sue either aren't around, don't care, or are flattered. That is why games which EA have the rights to tend to get banned from abandonware sites, even if they aren't being sold.
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Arkose: Actually, EA games are omitted because EA is a member of the ESA. The ESA is sort of the RIAA of video games and among other things aims to actively protect against infringements of their members' IPs on their behalf. This protection is all-encompassing and in theory applies to anything and everything that company has ever developed and/or published. Because of this you typically won't see their members' titles on ROM or abandonware sites no matter how obscure or "abandoned" a particular game might be.

Okay, let me rephrase that while not changing the meaning of the sentence at all :p
The only reason Abandonware is so popular is that the people who would sue either aren't around, don't care, or are flattered. That is why games which the ESA are monitoring tend to get banned from abandonware sites, even if they aren't being sold.
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