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This is my favourite topic
Posted September 28, 2012
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FraterPerdurabo: Why on earth would you leave your windows rolled down when parked anyway?
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Darling_Jimmy: As the first post explains:
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DieRuhe: the weather is hot
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Darling_Jimmy: But anyway, she wasn't actually fined so why is this news?
I don't know. Ask the service that posted it. :-)

I just found it interesting, because is this really something there needs to be a law for?
Posted September 28, 2012
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DieRuhe: I just found it interesting, because is this really something there needs to be a law for?
No. We also shouldn't be required to wear a seat belt (though it is a good idea to wear a seat belt.)
Posted September 28, 2012
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mondo84: I was hoping that this thread would be about a deadly fog that turns your insides out or makes you a zombie.
Fixed that for you.
Posted September 28, 2012
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DieRuhe: I just found it interesting, because is this really something there needs to be a law for?
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Darling_Jimmy: No. We also shouldn't be required to wear a seat belt (though it is a good idea to wear a seat belt.)
Agreed. Heck, in my state at least, you don't have to wear a motorcycle helmet. There's a firm of ambulance chasers - I mean lawyers, who constantly advertise on tv. The "dramatic portrayal" person says "I was in a motorcycle accident and the insurance company didn't want to pay me because I wasn't wearing a helmet. Mr. Lawyer went to State Capitol and got them to change the law, and I got two million dollars."

So, you must wear a seat belt, but you can fly around on a crotch rocket catching bugs in your teeth and splatter your head all over the asphalt and that's ok. Maybe somebody said "Hey, I came up with this great slogan that will work with seatbelts - click it or ticket - but I can't think of anything that clever for motorcycle helmets so I guess we'll let that one slide."
Posted September 29, 2012
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DieRuhe: Agreed. Heck, in my state at least, you don't have to wear a motorcycle helmet. There's a firm of ambulance chasers - I mean lawyers, who constantly advertise on tv. The "dramatic portrayal" person says "I was in a motorcycle accident and the insurance company didn't want to pay me because I wasn't wearing a helmet. Mr. Lawyer went to State Capitol and got them to change the law, and I got two million dollars."

So, you must wear a seat belt, but you can fly around on a crotch rocket catching bugs in your teeth and splatter your head all over the asphalt and that's ok. Maybe somebody said "Hey, I came up with this great slogan that will work with seatbelts - click it or ticket - but I can't think of anything that clever for motorcycle helmets so I guess we'll let that one slide."
Motorcycle helmets are a bit different. The force of impact on ones head in your average motorcycle accident is about the same as if you just fell over drunk.

I personally think people ought to be legally required to wear a full helmet whenever riding their motorcycle because it gives you the best chance.

But anyways, it makes a big difference whether you're wearing one of the harder Schnell foundation helmets or the softer ones that only have the DOT certification.

As long as the rest of us are ultimately on the hook for paying for the medical care, people should be required to wear the helmets. Now, if we switch to a system where that's no longer the case, then well, perhaps then we shouldn't be requiring it.

BTW, my tax payer dollars in my home county pay for the biggest trauma center in a five state area and we're ultimately not given any funds to pay for the charity care, that's our of our pockets.
Posted September 29, 2012
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Kabuto: It's very real. That law exists in several provinces including where I live in Quebec.
It is not only real, it makes sense. A lot of crimes are committed out of "possibility" and not by planning. Prevention is the name of the game.

See also "broken window syndrome" (different, but somehow related)
Posted September 29, 2012
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hedwards: As long as the rest of us are ultimately on the hook for paying for the medical care, people should be required to wear the helmets.
Why stop there? If you're on the hook for paying for other people's medical care, ban them from doing anything that could cause them injury. Driving? Banned. Motorbiking? Banned. Sports? Banned. Extreme sports? Extremely banned. Drug ingestion (nicotine, alcohol, caffeine)? Banned. Anyone who incurs injury due to any of these has to pay for themselves.

It should also be required to have to pass a test and get a license/permit to have children because everyone pays child support through taxes.

It should also be a requirement to work if you are on unemployment benefits. For example, you have to go around tax payers houses and do jobs for them for "free" (you get paid through your benefits).

Funnily enough, even though I regard those last two things as wrong (e.g. people on unemployment benefits, clearly not looking for work, sitting around the house watching their 104" TV while listening to music on the latest iPod, browsing facebook on the latest iPad while having a lot of children who also have a lot of expensive stuff), I would oppose both methods because I don't see how such Tyranny of the Majority is better than Tyranny of the Dictator.

It shouldn't be a legal requirement to wear a seatbelt, but it should be heavily encouraged for the obvious reasons (the best 'wear your seatbelt' advert doesn't even happen in a car and no-one gets hurt). If you decide not to and die, that was your choice.. kind of like smoking or drinking yourself to death. Sure, I'm sad you made it but it was your choice with your life. If you don't win a darwin award for not choosing to be careful with your life, I'm fine with paying for you to get better and I would hope that you will encourage other people not to make the same mistake.

Anyone who then says "If it was mandatory to wear seatbelts, I would have been safer so it's not my fault" immediately gets thrown into a (not literal) blender for being a liar.

Seatbelts in road cars are a mandatory requirement to fit because it adds safety. Where are all the other safety measures? Bucket seat, 5 point harness, helmet, 10mph limit? Oh yeah, they are too costly to make mandatory.

Anyone who says seatbelts should be mandatory to wear and hasn't also purchased all other available safety measures is stood on quicksand in regards to their argument as far as I am concerned.

I'm a tax payer and I do not approve of using that to bully other people.
Posted September 29, 2012
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xyem: SNIP
The whole thing is one huge logical fallacy. Appeal to emotion, slippery slope, ad hominem and straw men. I'm not going to bother to answer such ignorance as I don't argue with people who can't put together a reasonably consistent argument.
Posted September 29, 2012
Could be worse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGe9wDM8pUc
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mondo84: I thought this thread would be about a deadly fog that turns your insides out or makes you a zombie.
That would have been sweet.
Posted September 29, 2012
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hedwards: The whole thing is one huge logical fallacy. Appeal to emotion, slippery slope, ad hominem and straw men. I'm not going to bother to answer such ignorance as I don't argue with people who can't put together a reasonably consistent argument.
Well I can't fix it or explain it if you won't point out specifics. Sorry if it came across as full of fallacies, that certainly wasn't the intention, especially anything you considered "ad hominem". Was addressing the arguments you presented, certainly have no qualms with you (aside from you refusing to help me improve it :P)
Posted September 29, 2012
I have windows 7, I DONT NEED TO ROLL MY WINDOW UP!
Posted September 29, 2012
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Piemaster: I have windows 7, I DONT NEED TO ROLL MY WINDOW UP!
But do you ever have to roll it back?
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xyem: Well I can't fix it or explain it if you won't point out specifics. Sorry if it came across as full of fallacies, that certainly wasn't the intention, especially anything you considered "ad hominem". Was addressing the arguments you presented, certainly have no qualms with you (aside from you refusing to help me improve it :P)
I can see your point. My purpose in bringing up helmets was to illustrate how "safety" seems to be determined by those with the loudest roar (ie, politicians). I find it odd that seatbelts are required but helmets are not. And yet there are places that require bicycle helmets. Go figure.
Post edited September 29, 2012 by DieRuhe
Posted September 29, 2012
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Darling_Jimmy: No. We also shouldn't be required to wear a seat belt (though it is a good idea to wear a seat belt.)
You are absolutely should be required to wear a seatbelt. People who do not wear seatbelts put a strain on society (even if you personally may be an exception).
Posted September 29, 2012
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Piemaster: I have windows 7, I DONT NEED TO ROLL MY WINDOW UP!
Hahaha.

Soon there will be laws to wear helmets, you never know if you're going to trip.

I don't think that law is stupid at all. Prevention laws are there for a reason.
Posted October 01, 2012
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Starmaker: You are absolutely should be required to wear a seatbelt. People who do not wear seatbelts put a strain on society (even if you personally may be an exception).
Why stop at requiring seatbelts?
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