Whatever,dude,but you, your definitions and semantic arguements are amusing, so please keep it up.I will rather recommend to avoid scaling altogether, because the slim chance of "it working" is just not good enough and totally unnecessary,too.

So yeah, I can live with level scaling, the totally irrelevant, pointless and unnoticable kind.

I've no problem with anyone recommending something or something else. I have a problem with people declaring their opinions facts.
If all this discussion made you switch to recommendations, then I'm glad. If you were recommending from the start and I thought you were presenting your opinions as facts, I apologize.

Am I a fanboy, yes - admitted that several times. But never did I claim Skyrim doesn't have faults and is all good. Never did I claim everybody should play and love it.
It's actually you who claims level scaling is bad no matter what, dismissing every argument against that opinion of yours as irrelevant.

The reality is that I brought several arguments why area scaling instead of level scaling wouldn't work better in Skyrim for the majority of players and you failed to dismiss them.
The only somewhat working argument of yours was, that there's mods that do it - ignoring my point of usage of said mods being 1/10 of overhauls that don't touch level scaling and just add / expand to the perk system, delivering more of the same.

I dont' think you can compress them to just one thread. They're not containable with reasoning...

Ok then I recommend to avoid level scaling because it is a fact that it has ruined many games.

Siannah, thats not what happened, maybe you ought to read that other thread again. And your opinion is not irrelevant, it is very relevant, just very wrong. And now that I have played Skyrim, I know for a fact that you just lied to me by stating this as a positive example for level scaling. (hello easily killable Dragons half hour into the game)

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/rpgs_leveling_up_and_enemy_scaling/post157

*sigh* my opinion pretty much works for me, and I stated several times, that it may never work for you - different approaches / playstyle and all that.
And no I didn't lied. I claimed Skyrims level scaling being better than in Oblivion and a lot more like the one in Morrowind. I never claimed it to be the shining example of level scaling done right or anything like that.

Yeah exactly, because there are none, it is a very flawed technique used to save time designing a better game world.

I brought arguments about that in the other thread, I'm not gonna restart it all over again. Maybe you should check on that reading comprehension yourself? Oh sorry, I forgot - you'll gonna ignore it anyway....

So Morrowind has level scailing, but I thought it was all fixed?

Those aren't arguments, I mostly ignored you because you have serious problems with logic, at least Jmich makes sense sometimes or says stuff that is worth thinking or laughing about. You are just boring. Thats why you talk about "opinion" so much, you lack real arguments.

yes, a different studio, the one which is making fallout 4 now afaik

Thanks. I guess I might try it again one day. There's also Morroblivion.

Everquest Next has some impressive AI. The world is all voxels, each voxel is given a value and all actors in the world are given a like dislike score which hunt the world looking for what they like...

EG: Gnolls like water, darkness, and no people... hence you'll never see them in a sewer but a cave next to a sewer. And if people decide to build an underground city they move the Gnolls out and they must find a new place to live.

Another effect could be the Gnoll king deciding NO WAY! these are my caves and fight back. if the player community band together and fight the gnoll incursion the Gnoll king can call an alliance and start an all out war...

This would only happen if all the pieces came together, the caves were worth the fight, the gnolls had a high enough attachment score (EG uncle Ben loves his car a lot and keeps fixing it)

--- When i say all actors have a design i mean that... not a single one is placed by hand, they move freely seeking what they like.. Qeynos guards stay at Qeynos and protect its assests.... if a player builds a suburb of Qeynos and requests from the guards help they will recruit more and build an outpost in the player village...


This is Everquest NEXT way to doing AI, giving it likes, dislikes and letting the ai decided where to go... the entire world is dynamic nothing not even trees and staticly placed (the main citys to hold the lore is placed but since its all voxels a dragon can destroy it :)

That was interesting to read, thank you.

I really have never seen why level scaling can be a good thing, and would genuinely appreciate it if someone could point out the benefits. As I see it, a player levelling, from a mechanical standpoint, rewards the player by making them stronger relative to the world around them. This can, of course, be in giving more options, but level scaling simply cancels some (or, in worst cases, all) of that out. Surely, therefore, it would be simpler to simply not have level scaling, but decrease the power gained by levelling (or, if the developers don't want the player growing more powerful against the enemies, remove levelling altogether)?

From an immersion standpoint, of course, any major scaling is also not good as any sane world (with, perhaps, certain specific exceptions which are built into the plot) should not be getting stronger because the player is getting stronger. While this can be disguised somewhat, it's still surely better from this standpoint to avoid level scaling at all. As, as I mentioned above, this can be achieved while still having the same mechanical effect, I'm not sure where the benefit of level scaling is.