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I'm trying to convince myself to buy a new computer. If you guys can find a significantly better price/performance ratio I'll probably do it.
CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-930 2.80 GHz
HDD: 1TB (500GBx2) Raid HD Config
MOTHERBOARD: * Asus P6T SE Intel X58 Chipset CrossFireX Mainboard Triple-Channel DDR3/1600 SATA RAID w/ eSATA
MEMORY: 6GB (2GBx3) DDR3/1800MHz
SOUND: HD on-board 7.1
VIDEO: ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB GDDR5 16X PCIe
Also, Liquid Cooling
$1,075 shipped from CyberPowerPC
Looks good, two points though;
Why RAID? Waste of space for a gaming system. Also, what HDD manufacturer? Please don't say Toshiba. 7200 RPM or 5300? I find 7200 to be noticeably better on load and any harddrive swapping.
6GB of memory is unnecessary, but as memory is cheap it probably doesn't have much of an effect on the total.
Also, if you can afford it, add a small SSD to host the OS. Booting Win7 on a SSD is pr0n.
Post edited April 22, 2010 by stonebro
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stonebro: Why RAID? Waste of space for a gaming system. Also, what HDD manufacturer? Please don't say Toshiba. 7200 RPM or 5300? I find 7200 to be noticeably better on load and any harddrive swapping.
6GB of memory is unnecessary, but as memory is cheap it probably doesn't have much of an effect on the total.

wait wait, i thought RAID was especially good for gaming load times... maybe someone should explain the real benefits
correct about the RAM price. also, it will probably be enough to be competitive for several years. i like to get mostly future-proofed specs on everything except the graphics card, and then just upgrade that after two years when i need a boost, considering they come down in price a ridiculous amount.
Does liquid cooling have maintenance issues? I usually can't be arsed to even blow the dust bunnies out of my case. LOL.
I have to admit I'm pretty tech illiterate so I don't know the relative strengths and weaknesses of most hardware but you might want to compare that configuration/individual parts with the prices at www.ibuypower.com -- I usually get my stuff there and they have frequent deals. Not shilling for them, just giving you some more options for comparison sake.
I'd get manufacturer names of the HD and PSU if it's not readily available. Also the cooling system.
Post edited April 22, 2010 by Navagon
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captfitz: wait wait, i thought RAID was especially good for gaming load times... maybe someone should explain the real benefits

I have 2 1TB's in RAID and TBH I don't notice much of an improvement with games. Check some benchmarks online and you will notice the same probably an improvement of 2-3 secs at most in Crysis. You are better off with a decent 1TB HDD like the Samsung F3. If speed is what you are after then the new WD Raptors will perform faster than RAID.
I'm pretty sure I saw a computer for $450 that was a quad core and had 6gigs ram, and a terabyte hard drive....
Looks like a very nice selection in the main, especially for that price - couldn't dream of getting something with those specs for that price here in South Africa.
Let me see if I can add my $0.2:
I don't know much about Intel i-chip overclocking yet, as I still use my Yorkfield quadro, or even if you plan on OC'ing, but, if you do, its just good practise to make sure that with the RAM you purchase that its of a type where you can at least attempt to keep the ratios between your chips' Bclk/QPI/Memory Speed/ Uncore Frequency - but from the look of it being 1800MHz you shouldn't have too many problems with raising/lowering it if you decide to OC, as ratios don't "have" to be maintained. But 6GB of triple-channel RAM should serve you exceedingly well.
Like others have said, check the brand of your HDDs. I may be brand-blinded, however I have had bad experience in the past with certain drives: I'm talking about you Toshiba and Maxtor. Can't say I know much about Samsung drives, have not tested any myself. I've generally used Seagate and Western Digitals drives, more or less without problems. To be honest, you can't really go wrong with either, unfortunately failture rates are a part of the risk involved in mechanical drives (well, in all manufactured components really, but especially prevalent in mechanical HDDs).
The current generation of Western Digital drives, as well as the previous generation, do not have any "known" issues so apart from the built-in probability of drive failure, you should theoretically get the manufacturer's lifespan (MTBF): between 30-40 years on a mechanical driver or 120-170 years o a SSD, or so they claim :P - one advantage to Western Digital though is their 5 year warranty.
If however the drives are Seagate, just a quick caveat. The previous generation of Seagate drives - firmware version: 7200.11 - have problems. If your drives happen to be of this line, upgrade your firmware from Seagates site as soon as you get them (usually done by writing the firmware upgrade onto an optical disk and booting from that disk). If however the drives are version 7200.12 you don't have anything to worry about.
Let's see... RAID configs: judging from the overall size (1TB) I'm going to assume this is going to be a RAID 0 configuration. Generally I would advise against a RAID 0 setup, although some fanatics would have my head for that, but, here's why. The gains from a RAID 0 config are minimal, and in my opinion do not fully account for the risk involved in the setup. In a RAID 0 setup data is striped across both drives, meaning, if one drive fails the data is pretty much lost forever (as data is constantly written, "striped", across both drives), and if you take into account the 5% HDD failure rate inherent in every HDD (and if my stats101 is still accurate, you would end up with a 10% chance for your data to be lost in a RAID 0 config with new HDDs: P1(Drive Failure)=5% & P2(DF)=5%, and since P1 & P2 are not exclusive, P(of RAID 0 failure)=P1+P2=10%
The 10%, right off the bat failure rate with new HDDs (as HDD failures, in the main, occur at inital activation or within the first 36 days), is simply not worth the average 0.2-0.8ms seek-time gains (maximum RAID 0 seek-time gain I have tested has been around 1.5s) you will get over simply having the drives run individually. So, if I were you, I wouldn't run the drives in RAID 0, but thats only my humble opinion :) However, if you plan on using them for storage and want redundancy then I would recomend a RAID 1 config - but that is definately not for performance. If you want best performance and reliability, stick to individual drive configuration without RAID, at least ifyou are only going to be using 2 drives for now.
As to future-proofing: only thing I can add here is just check if the motherboard has SATAIII - although mechanical drives are not likely to hit that barrier anytime soon with their current builds - they (rpm<10000 drivers) are now just reaching SATA I thresholds. So, I guess, SATAIII is a moot issue. Other than that, PCI-E versions don't look to change anytime too soon - all seems fine to me.
Afraid I can't comment much on liquid cooling; I've always used air and have managed to OC chips from 2.4Ghz to 3.6Ghz in 34 degree ambient temperature (it's hot in Africa :P ) without, under full load, the chip exceeding 64 degrees. But from all that I have read, liquid cooling should give you a lot of flexibility if you decide to OC.
I thought I'd ask it here, while I'm at it: since the nehalem processors don't have a northbridge, what other components need to be cooled in an i-chip OC? As far as I know QPI has replaced it and is now "built-in" to the processor - could anyone enlighten me on what components now generate heat in a nehalem OC? Thanks :)
One last crucial aspect I think I should add. Double check the brand of the PSU you are buying. If there is one component that can either make your PC the best thing you've ever bought or an absolute nightmare, it's the PSU. It's like a strong internet backbone, without it everything else crumbles. Here I will have to enforce brand-buying. In the main, Antec, Corsair, Thermaltake, Cooler Master and OCZ make fantastic PSUs - if you can purchase one of them I would recomend it. There are many other decent brands out there as well: some Gigabyte and Zalman models spring to mind. But of the others, I've had personal experience, especially with Corsair & Thermaltake, and they are worth every penny of the added cost. Never, ever, ever, ever, never, ever, never (that enough yet?) :P buy non-branded PSUs... never :P
So, Captfitz, I hope that helps and wish you the best of luck with your new PC - it all looks great to me! If you have any questions about what I've added, please feel free to ask :) I should be having a crack at my first i7 soon, can't wait to start a new generation of OCing and put all my theoretical nehalem knowledge to use *grins*
Post edited April 22, 2010 by Pythos
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Rohan15: I'm pretty sure I saw a computer for $450 that was a quad core and had 6gigs ram, and a terabyte hard drive....

Are you sure that wasn't from a man in a pub?
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Rohan15: I'm pretty sure I saw a computer for $450 that was a quad core and had 6gigs ram, and a terabyte hard drive....
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rewsan: Are you sure that wasn't from a man in a pub?

Positive. I even found the link
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Rohan15: Positive. I even found the link

Condition: Refurbished
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Rohan15: Positive. I even found the link
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ceemdee: Condition: Refurbished

Never said it was new, DID I? =P
If you can build your own PC you can get so much more for half the price in a PC tower. You can get an AMD CPU much cheaper than an Intel for nearly same performance, anti-AMD nay-sayers are just mad you can buy 2 CPU's for the price of one Intel and they run at 90% of the performance of a similar Intel. VidCards would still be pricey, memory is getting cheaper, you might be able to shave a few hundred dollars off that price.
Now of course the main catch is if you want to assemble your own PC. That has the downside of if it breaks you only got individual parts warranties instead of a manufacturer fixing it, though they make you jump through hoops. There is also problems if you make a mistake, too little thermal gel or too much and you could melt a CPU.
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Rohan15: Never said it was new, DID I? =P

Then why post it in a thread where someone is looking to buy a new computer?