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Klem: If only it was that easy to forget about Westwood, Bullfrog, and all the other studios EA bought to steal the IP and fire all the devs, to prevent independent competitors from making more sales than them... just saying.
Oh c'mon, stop the conspiracy theories and get back to reality for a moment. These companies were for sale, EA just saw the opporunity and bought them. EA can't buy companies that are not on sale.

You really believe that EA bought these companies to "prevent independent competitors"? You have to be kidding me. EA bought them because they saw an opportunity to make a profit. Companies are established with purpose of making money. I'm sorry to bust your bubble buddy, but this applies to every company, including GOG.


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Klem: You and I perfectly know EA Spouse (wikipedia article) is just the tip of the iceberg and how it didn't changed anything in the long term.
All gaming companies are known for terrible work conditions. The games industry is the worst software division to work with. This applies to the whole industry, not only EA.

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Klem: Regarding the BF1942 give-away, it's not really "generous" of them: people stopped buying it several years ago. It is a good, smart move though.
Gaming companies are not charity institutions, of course they take such actions with the intention of generating marketing/profit/visibility.

GOG does the same thing by giving games for free if you make an account here. It isn't exactly generous either, it's just a smart move to get more customers to GOG.

Still, it was a good move, despite not being "generous". Let's be honest, at least EA cares about their old games, they're often releasing a few classics here on GOG and now BF1942 is another example. Most companies don't give a flying fuck about theur old games (Lucasarts being the prime example). At least EA tries to please old gamers sometimes. EA is one of the best partners GOG has.
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Klem: So simply because some of the companies their ripped apart were in financial difficulties, means their aggressive M&A behaviour shouldn't be criticized ? And of course, the financial trouble were all caused by the previous owner of the company...

EA walked by, noticed a sinking company and said "ok, we'll buy it", grabbed the IPs, fired everyone, how lucky they were ! And EA is so lucky it kept happening to them, smaller studios with high-value IPs kept dying around them, and they grabbed what was left... Business is really a matter of pure luck, that's impressive.

And as said earlier, Popcap are really a company wasting money and in financial trouble - so much that EA bought them for only ~1 billion of dollars in 2011.

But yeah, EA is like, good guys, dude... they're not like Activision, who are like, evil, dude...
The problem is that you're blaming EA for factors that are inherent to the market itself.

Like it or not, studios are closed/opened every day. If a particular studio is not doing well sales-wise, no company will maintain it. From a gamer perspective this is terrible, but from a business perspective it isn't. EA is not the only publisher that closes internal studios.

I understand your frustration. I got pissed when Activision shut Bizarre Creations down, when Disney shut Split Second's studio down, when Microsoft closed Ensemble, when Sony closed their London Studio, when Free Radical was shut down. The thing that i hate the most is how Microsoft destroyed Rare. Yet, i don't think that these companies are evil or anything, and i still support them. You have to understand that decision within these companies are not made by gamers, but by businessmen. These decisions are based on market conditions, and i'm sure that these guys understand more than we do about it.
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Klem: If only it was that easy to forget about Westwood, Bullfrog, and all the other studios EA bought to steal the IP and fire all the devs, to prevent independent competitors from making more sales than them... just saying.
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Neobr10: Oh c'mon, stop the conspiracy theories and get back to reality for a moment. These companies were for sale, EA just saw the opporunity and bought them. EA can't buy companies that are not on sale.

You really believe that EA bought these companies to "prevent independent competitors"? You have to be kidding me. EA bought them because they saw an opportunity to make a profit. Companies are established with purpose of making money. I'm sorry to bust your bubble buddy, but this applies to every company, including GOG.


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Klem: You and I perfectly know EA Spouse (wikipedia article) is just the tip of the iceberg and how it didn't changed anything in the long term.
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Neobr10: All gaming companies are known for terrible work conditions. The games industry is the worst software division to work with. This applies to the whole industry, not only EA.

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Klem: Regarding the BF1942 give-away, it's not really "generous" of them: people stopped buying it several years ago. It is a good, smart move though.
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Neobr10: Gaming companies are not charity institutions, of course they take such actions with the intention of generating marketing/profit/visibility.

GOG does the same thing by giving games for free if you make an account here. It isn't exactly generous either, it's just a smart move to get more customers to GOG.

Still, it was a good move, despite not being "generous". Let's be honest, at least EA cares about their old games, they're often releasing a few classics here on GOG and now BF1942 is another example. Most companies don't give a flying fuck about theur old games (Lucasarts being the prime example). At least EA tries to please old gamers sometimes. EA is one of the best partners GOG has.
It is true. Thanks to EA, we have access to many good old games. And even if they are only interested in making money, we should appreciate that EA has sense enough to care about their old games. They also compete with Steam which is a good thing because if Steam becomes emperor of the digital gaming world, who knows what they will do.
Post edited November 06, 2012 by langurmonkey
Nice, just added this to my account. I never played it before. Im really starting to like Origin. This year they gave me for free all these games:
1. Battlefield 2 Bad Company
2. Dragon Age 2
3. Mass Effect 2
4. Battlefield 1942

Also, im impressed with their download server, it seems much faster than the other digital sites. I wonder what they will give me next year :)
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Heretic777: Nice, just added this to my account. I never played it before. Im really starting to like Origin. This year they gave me for free all these games:
1. Battlefield 2 Bad Company
2. Dragon Age 2
3. Mass Effect 2
4. Battlefield 1942
That list is nothing to sneeze at.
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SimonG: Did Wikipedia die while I was away?
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mistermumbles: Apparently, Google, too.
When I become Dicta--- err, President For Life, I will ensure that failure to utilize resources such as Google and Wikipedia before asking questions on forums will result in cruel, merciless, severe floggings. Not long ago, people would have killed to have this much information at their fingertips. In my benevolence, I will leave these fools only half-dead. :)

...hey, don't give me that look! It's called "tough love". If you really care for someone, and they are unlearnable, it will be your duty to have a "let me google that for you" chip inserted into their brain. No tears, now. It's for the best, you see?
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Neobr10: Oh c'mon, stop the conspiracy theories and get back to reality for a moment. These companies were for sale, EA just saw the opporunity and bought them. EA can't buy companies that are not on sale.
Ha ha, then you're the one saying they are a company with a purpose of making money. Do you have any idea how the business world work ?
Oh yeah, everyone is nice, they respect all the laws, they don't use cheap tricks and throw low blows, no, they're always behaving like nice little executives, paying their taxes, waiting for a company to be on sale to look at it. They never try to disturb the funding process of smaller competitors, that would be so unfair... They're all a nice club of gentlemen, playing cricket on Saturday.

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Neobr10: You really believe that EA bought these companies to "prevent independent competitors"? You have to be kidding me. EA bought them because they saw an opportunity to make a profit. Companies are established with purpose of making money. I'm sorry to bust your bubble buddy, but this applies to every company, including GOG.
Again... simply because a company is here to run a business, and that for running a business you (often) need to make a profit, doesn't mean you are free to do whatever you want. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the "perfect" economical liberalism is a total joke and a lie.
And they bought these companies to retain the IPs and decide when a sequel should be made, to make sure no other product disturb their publishing schedule (protip: releasing at the wrong time always killed the commercial viability of a game).


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Neobr10: All gaming companies are known for terrible work conditions. The games industry is the worst software division to work with. This applies to the whole industry, not only EA.
Ha ha, have you ever read the IGDA papers or listened to devs from other studios/publishers ? I personally know a few developers, the working conditions vary a lot between companies, saying the contrary is just refusing to accept it's a complex issue and going for the "the world is unfair, deal with it... be a smarter guy, dude" crap you see on Facebook 24/7.

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Neobr10: Gaming companies are not charity institutions, of course they take such actions with the intention of generating marketing/profit/visibility.
GOG does the same thing by giving games for free if you make an account here. It isn't exactly generous either, it's just a smart move to get more customers to GOG.

Still, it was a good move, despite not being "generous". Let's be honest, at least EA cares about their old games, they're often releasing a few classics here on GOG and now BF1942 is another example. Most companies don't give a flying fuck about theur old games (Lucasarts being the prime example). At least EA tries to please old gamers sometimes. EA is one of the best partners GOG has.
Oh my, you've got to be sh* me !
EA cares so much about their old games, they shut down the masterservers of their games after a single year, they no longer provide very basic support (such as... hosting the god damn patches installers) after 2-3 years, let most of their IP rot on the shelves (Dungeon Keeper anyone ? in 12 years, all they did was licensing to an unknown chinese F2P mmorpg who closed a few months after launch). They really love their old games, sure.
Try searching for these old games on the official EA website and have a good laugh : the only thing you'll get about them are legal notices about their IP rights. Is this what they call "lawyer love" ?

Just because they own a boatload of old IPs, because of to their aggressive IP acquisition strategy (shutting down studios after studios), thus have all the good old stuff, doesn't make them a better company. Sure it's an excellent partner for GoG, and GoG wizards-monks managed to seal a publishing deal, big kudos to them, but it doesn't make EA as a whole any better.
Post edited November 06, 2012 by Klem
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Neobr10: The problem is that you're blaming EA for factors that are inherent to the market itself.
Oh, the "invisible hand" of the market, how practical ! Whenever a company should be held responsible for its actions, pull the "the market did it ! not me !" card from your magic hat and tadaaa ! You're free to go !

Perhaps you forgot that EA is big enough to greatly influence how its sector work, and that other publishers aren't acting like them (and are still making tons of money). Perhaps you believe that, like you, they don't have the choice. Like it or not, EA can and did made choices.

You perfectly saw it when Activision-Blizzard took the lead with CoD and WoW, EA started seducing gamers and start being all nice with devs like DICE, and thousands of players believe EA "turned good" (ha !). And now these idiots are all butthurt at BF3 and ME3, "omg EA lied to me". EA perfectly has the power to decide what kind of interest and strategy they will pursue, and so far they haven't stopped abusing their power to bully their sector.
_92]Like it or not, studios are closed/opened every day. If a particular studio is not doing well sales-wise, no company will maintain it. From a gamer perspective this is terrible, but from a business perspective it isn't. EA is not the only publisher that closes internal studios.
So you're saying that not a SINGLE studio closure was decided for other reasons than poor sales ? Then how do you explain Popcap ? Bejeweled, Zuma, Peggle, Plants vs Zombies, not selling ?
You seem to see the business world as a fairy tale, with simple physical laws, without any human intervention - your universe could be run by robots (or just AIs). How would you explain Vivendi trying to sell its shares in Activision then ?

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Neobr10: I understand your frustration. I got pissed when Activision shut Bizarre Creations down, when Disney shut Split Second's studio down, when Microsoft closed Ensemble, when Sony closed their London Studio, when Free Radical was shut down. The thing that i hate the most is how Microsoft destroyed Rare.
Yet, i don't think that these companies are evil or anything, and i still support them. You have to understand that decision within these companies are not made by gamers, but by businessmen. These decisions are based on market conditions, and i'm sure that these guys understand more than we do about it.
Because these decisions are made by businessmen, in a market, by people who are supposed to know their job, they are all morally and ethically right ?
=> A businessman can't be wrong (in terms of morality and ethics) ?
=> A market can't be unfairly biased and controlled by a group of bigger companies ?
=> People who know their job can't use that knowledge to abuse their dominant position ?

You're taking economical liberalism to such an extreme, businessmen and companies should be free of *any* constraint set up by society, simply because it is their sector of activity, they shouldn't be judged and criticized.

=> a businessmen doesn't -have to- be amoral to run a business. There is millions of companies throughout the world, they aren't all completely amoral entities.
=> "the market" isn't an excuse to abuses, simply because running a business is hard doesn't mean that everything is allowed, the very concept of a market is having everyone fighting with the same rules, if there is no rules, there is no market, just a business anarchy.
=> knowledge doesn't equal morality, and if they didn't knew their job, they wouldn't be so powerful, nor wouldn't be able to abuse their power so efficiently.

It is baffling that nowadays so many people believe that companies are living in a rules-free world, that not only we shouldn't interfere with them, but we shouldn't even criticize them, because they probably "know their stuff" better than we do.
Post edited November 06, 2012 by Klem
EA entices people over to Origin by making a classic game free?

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Post edited November 06, 2012 by FantasyNightmare
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keeveek: By the way, are the maps which were introduced in patches also avaible? I recall Coral Islands... Did they include these maps in Origin release?
I LOVED that map. Everyone piloting planes, either dogfighting or bombing the shit out of the enemy aircraft carrier. If my plane exploded, I ejected, stayed out of sight, then go to the takeoff strip and place all manner of landmines.

Played BF1942 for 2-3 years, nearly on a daily routine. Charging like a madman as the medic and bazooka class. Sweet sweet memories.
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keeveek: By the way, are the maps which were introduced in patches also avaible? I recall Coral Islands... Did they include these maps in Origin release?
Yup Coral Sea is included (Its multiplayer only) as well as the other patch map ?Battle for Britain? looks like it's all there.
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keeveek: By the way, are the maps which were introduced in patches also avaible? I recall Coral Islands... Did they include these maps in Origin release?
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cw8: I LOVED that map. Everyone piloting planes, either dogfighting or bombing the shit out of the enemy aircraft carrier. If my plane exploded, I ejected, stayed out of sight, then go to the takeoff strip and place all manner of landmines.

Played BF1942 for 2-3 years, nearly on a daily routine. Charging like a madman as the medic and bazooka class. Sweet sweet memories.
AND I SUNK A BATTLESHIP!!! WHY THEY DON'T HAVE IT IN THE LATER GAMES!!!!

But to be fair sea naval battles are pretty much obsolete in modern and future settings, only thing its used for carrying planes.
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Psyringe: Could somebody enlighten me as to how exactly this game ius tied to the Origin client?

I see that I need to install the client in order to download the game. Can I uninstall the client afterwards? Do I need Origin to install, or to play, the game?
I can give you the answer in around 15 to 20 minutes.
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Psyringe: Could somebody enlighten me as to how exactly this game ius tied to the Origin client?

I see that I need to install the client in order to download the game. Can I uninstall the client afterwards? Do I need Origin to install, or to play, the game?
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langurmonkey: I can give you the answer in around 15 to 20 minutes.
That would be great. :)


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Elmofongo: AND I SUNK A BATTLESHIP!!! WHY THEY DON'T HAVE IT IN THE LATER GAMES!!!!
Because you sunk it. Duh.

(sorry, couldn't resist. ;) )
Post edited November 06, 2012 by Psyringe
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Elmofongo: AND I SUNK A BATTLESHIP!!! WHY THEY DON'T HAVE IT IN THE LATER GAMES!!!!
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Psyringe: Because you sunk it. Duh.
This made my day haha.