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Crassmaster: chautemoc : He bought it on Direct 2 Drive. I looked and didn't see any mention of a permanent net connection on its page there.

Hmm it's on the Steam and Impulse pages..odd..
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chautemoc: I really don't agree with his "offline protection doesn't work" stance though. Sins of a Solar Empire,The Witcher and Dragon Age are proof against that (Sins sold 500k, Witcher sold 1.3m, BioWare has said PC sales were great).
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Gersen: While he have some points (but nothing new) he does lots of conjecture and take some big shortcuts to try to prove his point, for example like when he takes games like Mass Effect as example of online activation DRM "that worked"... he just completely forget that what worked with ME copy protection is not the online activation but the trigger that made the game unplayable is a pirate copy was detected. Witcher used something similar that prevented the pirate copy from working for sometime and yet it was a completely offline copy protection.

Yeah.
I dont think anything with The Witcher was intentional though. I remember asking GOG staff about it (affiliated) and they said they weren't aware of any such bugs.
Anyway, I emailed him with my points, evidence, links, etc. and got this reply:
"Please stop sending me this rubbish, I have already covered all these arguments and more in my PC Game Piracy Article in complete detail with a ton of actual data supporting my claims. Take the time to actually read my article in detail and think about it instead of sending me excuses for piracy. I've spent countless months researching the topic, nothing you send me is going to be new to me."
Nice guy. :P
Post edited March 05, 2010 by chautemoc
Makes himself sound like the people you run into on internet forums that completely dismiss your arguments not because they don't have merit, but because you happen to disagree with them.
I also thought he had some good points in his article, but found he'd left out some things he could have touched on as well as didn't really present more than one side of the whole piracy/anti-DRM debate. Overall, I got the feeling he had his mind made up long before he even did his 'months of research'.
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Coelocanth: Overall, I got the feeling he had his mind made up long before he even did his 'months of research'.

Well, that is the best way to ensure that you arrive at the conclusion you intended all along.
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Coelocanth: Makes himself sound like the people you run into on internet forums that completely dismiss your arguments not because they don't have merit, but because you happen to disagree with them.
I also thought he had some good points in his article, but found he'd left out some things he could have touched on as well as didn't really present more than one side of the whole piracy/anti-DRM debate. Overall, I got the feeling he had his mind made up long before he even did his 'months of research'.

That makes me feel better haha, thanks.
I was just trying to progress the debate and encourage PC sales...
Edit/back OT: http://www.infoaddict.com/ubisofts-new-drm-cracked-in-under-25-hours
Post edited March 05, 2010 by chautemoc
“You have probably seen rumors on the web that Assassin’s Creed II and Silent Hunter 5 have been cracked. Please know that this rumor is false and while a pirated version may seem to be complete at start up, any gamer who downloads and plays a cracked version will find that their version is not complete.”
No kidding - its missing your stupid attempt at DRM
Yeah that's a funny quote by Ubisoft right there. Mad funnier by the fact that they've already stated that if need arose, they could release a patch to allow people to play the game without the need to connect to their servers. Guess what? People in the "scene" beat them to creating and releasing that "patch".
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bansama: Yeah that's a funny quote by Ubisoft right there. Mad funnier by the fact that they've already stated that if need arose, they could release a patch to allow people to play the game without the need to connect to their servers. Guess what? People in the "scene" beat them to creating and releasing that "patch".

Bless their hearts for it.
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bansama: Yeah that's a funny quote by Ubisoft right there. Mad funnier by the fact that they've already stated that if need arose, they could release a patch to allow people to play the game without the need to connect to their servers. Guess what? People in the "scene" beat them to creating and releasing that "patch".
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chautemoc: Bless their hearts for it.

I looked up the torrents for Ass. Creed 2 and apparently you can play the game, but the non DRM DRM is made so that you can only free roam and kill stuff for no reason, but you can't play missions.
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michaelleung: I looked up the torrents for Ass. Creed 2 and apparently you can play the game, but the non DRM DRM is made so that you can only free roam and kill stuff for no reason, but you can't play missions.

If that's correct, I bet it won't be within a month at most.
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michaelleung: I looked up the torrents for Ass. Creed 2 and apparently you can play the game, but the non DRM DRM is made so that you can only free roam and kill stuff for no reason, but you can't play missions.
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bansama: If that's correct, I bet it won't be within a month at most.

A month? I give it two weeks.
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michaelleung: A month? I give it two weeks.

I did say "at most" =)
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StingingVelvet: It's not DRM I hate, it is ineffective DRM that continues to exist, causing me problems.

fuckin hell yeah bro. you understand like a motherfucker.
Does anyone else really want to download these games simply to see if they have really been hacked?
I had no interest in SH5 or AC2, and I don't particularly want to play them... but I'm really resisting downloading the torrents just to find out the truth.
I think ubisoft's DRM is backfiring, by making the pirated versions intriguing.
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StingingVelvet: It's not DRM I hate, it is ineffective DRM that continues to exist, causing me problems.
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captfitz: fuckin hell yeah bro. you understand like a motherfucker.

Despite such unruly language I agree with this agreement.
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StingingVelvet: fuckin hell yeah bro. you understand like a motherfucker.
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captfitz: Despite such unruly language I agree with this agreement.

oh god. my head hurts. that is a really embarrassing drunk post, i sound like a huge bro.