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Posted October 19, 2014
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Smannesman: I'm not shocked or surprised to hear such an opinion come from an American.
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SeduceMePlz: Well, fuck me for hating injustice, I guess. And for being honest about the struggle between emotion and logic.
I don't think he was talking about your hatred for injustice. I think he was talking about your desire to see those who are guilty of committing such injustice be put to the sword.. Because unfortunately, that seems to be "justice", in the minds of most Americans. Your "justice" is too primal...it's too quick to turn to violence instead of other more effective ways. It is also very American of you to be flooded with blood thirsty desires when angry. Yes. Most Americans seem to become very blood thirsty when angry. I've traveled to many different countries and lived in Germany for around 5 years and I have not seen this elsewhere except on the news. In the news, you often see Muslims become very blood thirsty when angry... It seems Muslims and most Americans have one thing in common? A primal side that is dominated by violent desires.

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And please don't think I am being an ass who is trying to feel superior to you because when it comes to the primal side, I AM ONE OF THOSE AMERICANS. So I'm not so different from most Americans. When it comes to justice, I'm 100% against using death to satisfy it but when I'm angry, my primal side is similar to yours... I lust for blood. So I have a problem too. I was born and raised in the USA so maybe it has something to do with our culture or our media or both?
Post edited October 19, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted October 19, 2014
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Titanium: Sun Tzu teaches me that if my (potential) enemies are fighting amongsts themselves, I may unstring my bow and be at ease.
Turn-based strategy games teach me that they will make peace with each other, and within two turns both will break their peace and trade treaties with me and amass at my borders their weapons of destruction.
Posted October 19, 2014
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Titanium: Sun Tzu teaches me that if my (potential) enemies are fighting amongsts themselves, I may unstring my bow and be at ease.
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HereForTheBeer: Turn-based strategy games teach me that they will make peace with each other, and within two turns both will break their peace and trade treaties with me and amass at my borders their weapons of destruction.
Indeed but that is because of bad A.I. :)
Posted October 19, 2014
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SeduceMePlz: Well, fuck me for hating injustice, I guess. And for being honest about the struggle between emotion and logic.
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monkeydelarge: I don't think he was talking about your hatred for injustice. I think he was talking about your desire to see those who are guilty of committing such injustice be put to the sword.. Because unfortunately, that seems to be "justice", in the minds of most Americans. Your "justice" is too primal...it's too quick to turn to violence instead of other more effective ways. It is also very American of you to be flooded with blood thirsty desires when angry. Yes. Most Americans seem to become very blood thirsty when angry. I've traveled to many different countries and lived in Germany for around 5 years and I have not seen this elsewhere except on the news. In the news, you often see Muslims become very blood thirsty when angry... It seems Muslims and most Americans have one thing in common?

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And please don't think I am being an ass who is trying to feel superior to you because when it comes to the primal side, I AM ONE OF THOSE AMERICANS. So I'm not so different from most Americans. When it comes to justice, I'm 100% against using death to satisfy it but when I'm angry, my primal side is similar to yours... I lust for blood. So I have a problem too. I was born and raised in the USA so maybe it has something to do with our culture or our media or both?
You are correct, it was also partly a yolk.
Because that's how I don't deal with serious things ;)
Post edited October 19, 2014 by Smannesman
Posted October 19, 2014
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HereForTheBeer: Turn-based strategy games teach me that they will make peace with each other, and within two turns both will break their peace and trade treaties with me and amass at my borders their weapons of destruction.
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monkeydelarge: Indeed but that is because of bad A.I. :)
The obvious solution: rain down hellfire on all artificial intelligence!

Oh crap, forgot to change my form of government first, and now the people are revolting. Dammit.

"Those who forget the lessons of Civ are condemned to repeat them."
Posted October 19, 2014
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babark: snip
I hope you're right about that, I really do. But everything I've read makes it tough to believe there's a silent majority against the blasphemy laws. Regardless, I'm sure you realize that I don't actually want war given that I outright say so several times, and that I don't hate your people. But this isn't some theoretical, academic matter. This is reality. This woman is going to die a brutal, senseless death. Her children will see her death celebrated by countless Muslims and will probably struggle to even be able to find a place to bury her (yeah, I've read those stories, too). So forgive me if I *do* want, on some level, to see your institutions burn. I don't hate your people, and I do hope that you actually read my words instead of cherry picking and realize that for me reason does triumph, but I won't pretend that this shit isn't Evil with a capital E or that it doesn't evoke some very visceral feelings in me.
Posted October 19, 2014
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Titanium: Sun Tzu teaches me that if my (potential) enemies are fighting amongsts themselves, I may unstring my bow and be at ease.
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HereForTheBeer: Turn-based strategy games teach me that they will make peace with each other, and within two turns both will break their peace and trade treaties with me and amass at my borders their weapons of destruction.
Well, not everyone is like Gandhi.
Posted October 19, 2014
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HereForTheBeer: Turn-based strategy games teach me that they will make peace with each other, and within two turns both will break their peace and trade treaties with me and amass at my borders their weapons of destruction.
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Titanium: Well, not everyone is like Gandhi.
Maybe they noticed that he was here for the beer and it was a BYOB party.
Posted October 19, 2014
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HereForTheBeer: Turn-based strategy games teach me that they will make peace with each other, and within two turns both will break their peace and trade treaties with me and amass at my borders their weapons of destruction.
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Titanium: Well, not everyone is like Gandhi.
lol yeah, why haven't they fixed him? If nukes were separate from actual nuclear weapons and and just an effective weapon, that might possibly be true though. He fasts, everyone fasts, you can't do anything to people who don't do anything lol.

On a serious note, there are different types of people in every country, who might or might not be enlightened. Here in India, there are some Hindu fundamentalists, and MAAAAAANNNNNNNYYYYY lingustic fundamentalists (though by no means any sort of majority) and still the country runs (meh, reasonably no decently) well and life is normal for most. Similar to all countries. We should try to separate the extremists from the real enlightened people of a country before we decide to think any ill of them.
Posted October 19, 2014
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Titanium: Well, not everyone is like Gandhi.
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Shadowstalker16: lol yeah, why haven't they fixed him? If nukes were separate from actual nuclear weapons and and just an effective weapon, that might possibly be true though. He fasts, everyone fasts, you can't do anything to people who don't do anything lol.

On a serious note, there are different types of people in every country, who might or might not be enlightened. Here in India, there are some Hindu fundamentalists, and MAAAAAANNNNNNNYYYYY lingustic fundamentalists (though by no means any sort of majority) and still the country runs (meh, reasonably no decently) well and life is normal for most. Similar to all countries. We should try to separate the extremists from the real enlightened people of a country before we decide to think any ill of them.
India is the most diverse country on this planet. I don't think any other country comes close.
Post edited October 19, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted October 19, 2014
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Shadowstalker16: We should try to separate the extremists from the real enlightened people of a country before we decide to think any ill of them.
I agree with that but I'll put it like this:

The real enlightened people of a country should separate the extremists from their own country - by any means necessary and before those extremists grow so powerful that they can only be removed via bloody all-out revolution or (even worse) by an outside force that will create huge amounts of collateral damage aka civilian deaths as happened in WW2 to a most tragic degree.

Politically correct people aren't enlightened - they are every bit as dangerous as the extremists because they label anyone who propagates the above as being extremists themselves and take this conclusion as an excuse for inaction until it's too late.
Posted October 19, 2014
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Titanium: Well, not everyone is like Gandhi.
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monkeydelarge: Maybe they noticed that he was here for the beer and it was a BYOB party.
...bring your own bombs? :D
Posted October 19, 2014
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awalterj: Politically correct people aren't enlightened - they are every bit as dangerous as the extremists because they label anyone who propagates the above as being extremists themselves and take this conclusion as an excuse for inaction until it's too late.
Exactly. I see political correctness in its extreme forms as very dangerous moral relativism.

Not everything should be tolerated in the name of wishing to avoid hurting somebody's feelings or beliefs.
Posted October 19, 2014
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awalterj: Politically correct people aren't enlightened - they are every bit as dangerous as the extremists because they label anyone who propagates the above as being extremists themselves and take this conclusion as an excuse for inaction until it's too late.
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Turjake: Exactly. I see political correctness in its extreme forms as very dangerous moral relativism.

Not everything should be tolerated in the name of wishing to avoid hurting somebody's feelings or beliefs.
I agree. There are things more important in this world than not making people butt hurt. Our world shouldn't be just a giant play ground... The problem is, too many people want this world to be a giant playground and will attack those who get in the way of this desire. And when I said "attack", I meant with death threats, doxxing, violence and more. :(
Post edited October 19, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted October 19, 2014
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SeduceMePlz: I hope you're right about that, I really do. But everything I've read makes it tough to believe there's a silent majority against the blasphemy laws. Regardless, I'm sure you realize that I don't actually want war given that I outright say so several times, and that I don't hate your people. But this isn't some theoretical, academic matter. This is reality. This woman is going to die a brutal, senseless death. Her children will see her death celebrated by countless Muslims and will probably struggle to even be able to find a place to bury her (yeah, I've read those stories, too). So forgive me if I *do* want, on some level, to see your institutions burn. I don't hate your people, and I do hope that you actually read my words instead of cherry picking and realize that for me reason does triumph, but I won't pretend that this shit isn't Evil with a capital E or that it doesn't evoke some very visceral feelings in me.
Read through the wiki you linked to. It seems that her family had to go into hiding because of death threats on them as well. It also states that 10 million people said they'd kill her. Isn't the human rights commission supposed to do something here? or does it only get to work when terrorists and criminals get shot?
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