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Akhiris: I highly doubt they are going anywhere after 10 years, but you never know. Unfortunately you are going to have to get used to it. More and more things are going to digital distribution only.
Not the point, I'm actively using Steam, Origin and uPlay to a degree. I just don't like spreading the info about games being freed if Steam ever goes down to people who might not know about how Steam works - there's just no confimation of that information.
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cmdr_flashheart: How does downloading GOG games work for you? I play Steam mostly offline, but I have a shitty download speed as well, ~400kb/s.
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Fenixp: Yeah, ever since I've had to switch to wireless from wired connection to my router, I have to deal with 1,5 mb/s. Terrible.

Oh wait, nevermind, I'm just bragging.
Ooh, look at Mr. Fancy Internet, here.

Honestly, though, besides the 8h download times on some of the bigger games, like TW2, I don't have any other problems; I just leave those games to download while I am sleeping. It would be worth paying for faster internet if I was doing something which required it, but as it is, I am not hampered by what I have.

Or maybe this is just what I tell myself so I don't feel the pain that much.
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tinyE: Hmmm, maybe I was misinformed. I was told than many, not all, but many of Steam's games require Steam to be active to play which means being logged on. If I'm way off base here let me know so I can stop making an ass out of myself. :P
Nah, more specifically, you just need to launch from the client, but there are bunch of games that do work without it.
http://steam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games

...and the majority dont need the client to be online - mostly just the AAA ones with paranoid publishers
So long story short, you didn't do your due diligence and now Steam is evil.
Welcome to the wonderful world of PC gaming.
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cmdr_flashheart: How does downloading GOG games work for you? I play Steam mostly offline, but I have a shitty download speed as well, ~400kb/s.
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tinyE: Hmmm, maybe I was misinformed. I was told than many, not all, but many of Steam's games require Steam to be active to play which means being logged on. If I'm way off base here let me know so I can stop making an ass out of myself. :P
Nah, you're fine, but yeas- Steam games, if not MP, can be played offline (indefinitely) and w/o internet (for at least 2 weeks). There are also DRM-free games on Steam which can be played w/o internet and w/o turning on the steam client at all, and some can be copy/pasted to PCs which never had/have steam client.
Post edited May 10, 2014 by cmdr_flashheart
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tinyE: Hmmm, maybe I was misinformed. I was told than many, not all, but many of Steam's games require Steam to be active to play which means being logged on. If I'm way off base here let me know so I can stop making an ass out of myself. :P
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Sachys: Nah, more specifically, you just need to launch from the client, but there are bunch of games that do work without it.
http://steam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games

...and the majority dont need the client to be online - mostly just the AAA ones with paranoid publishers
Yeah I saw that list. The ones on there I like I can get here. :P
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tinyE:
True, just a relevent fact is all, you Origin user you! ;)
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Akhiris: Valve always said that if they were going to shut down the servers that they would unlock the games and you would have them forever.
I always found this stance very arrogant. Towards customers if it's a lie, towards publishers if it's true.
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hscott2hughes: [..]So, I've now discovered, fist hand, what DRM is all about. Thanks for nothing.
I appreciate GOG for not being "those guys."
Thanks for your testimony, even if it's sad that you had to experience DRM yourself.
I completely agree with you! A purchase treated as a rental is quite a fraud for me..
Luckly now we have GOG! (hoping it won't ever change)

P.s: my first bad experience with unexpected absurd software limitations was.. with Windows os!
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phaolo: Thanks for your testimony, even if it's sad that you had to experience DRM yourself.
I completely agree with you! A purchase treated as a rental is quite a fraud for me..
Luckly now we have GOG! (hoping it won't ever change)

P.s: my first bad experience with unexpected absurd software limitations was.. with Windows os!
Technically, all software purchases are treated as rental. The only difference is that on a DVD, the license can be realily transferred.

Edit: Oh wait, what am I talking about, that's not true at all. I should go and get some sleep. Thinking about licenses here.
Post edited May 10, 2014 by Fenixp
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tinyE:
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Sachys: True, just a relevent fact is all, you Origin user you! ;)
Yeah, I have one game from Origin and it was free and I actually think it's piss boring. :P I do have a GG account but I'm holding out until they discount Chicago 1920 and then I'll lose that URL.
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Akhiris: Steam is probably the most unobtrusive DRM you will encounter. Valve always said that if they were going to shut down the servers that they would unlock the games and you would have them forever.
People constantly say that Steam is the least obtrusive form of DRM, but that's not actually true. The CD check version of SecuROM was the least obtrusive form of DRM to the point that it hardly qualified as DRM, since it didn't prevent you from doing almost anything you wanted with your game (whether it be to back it up, borrow it or sell it). While Steam is not the worst form of DRM (although I have no idea why people would tout this as something praiseworthy), having to go online to install your game and have it permanently attached to an account with no chance of removal is certainly quite obtrusive, especially for a single-player game.

Also, the whole "Valve said they would unlock the games if Steam shut down" thing is an urban legend. Newell never said anything of the sort and, honestly, the claim never made much sense to begin with.

In any event, I sympathise with the OP. I also think his example illustrates well how people don't really become aware of the value of DRM-free until they've experienced the problems with DRM first-hand.
Post edited May 10, 2014 by Gandos
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Akhiris: Valve always said that if they were going to shut down the servers that they would unlock the games and you would have them forever.
It would be a great relief to many people if a link or some other form of citation could ever be provided for this simple decency on part of Valve. :/
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Akhiris: Steam is probably the most unobtrusive DRM you will encounter. Valve always said that if they were going to shut down the servers that they would unlock the games and you would have them forever.
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Gandos: People constantly say that Steam is the least obtrusive form of DRM, but that's not actually true. The CD check version of SecuROM was the least obtrusive form of DRM to the point that it hardly qualified as DRM, since it didn't prevent you from doing almost anything you wanted with your game (whether it be to back it up, borrow it or sell it). While Steam is not the worst form of DRM (although I have no idea why people would tout this as something praiseworthy), having to go online to install your game and have it permanently attached to an account with no chance of removal is certainly quite obtrusive, especially for a single-player game.

Also, the whole "Valve said they would unlock the games if Steam shut down" thing is an urban legend. Newell never said anything of the sort and, honestly, the claim never made much sense to begin with.
I do not agree -CD-checks only works as long as the CD works. Scratch, damage or loose the disk, and the game stops working (not to mention things like bit root....). Also I do love not needing to drag around CD's everywhere.
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evilnancyreagan: Ha sounds like me when I finally caved and bought Civ V.
"Everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother"